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Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by bsder on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:19AM (#14700107)
Can we please stop promoting the Raspberry Pi stuff as "open".

The Raspberry Pi is NOT OPEN. If you wish to build your own Raspberry Pi, you can't do it. Broadcom won't sell you the chips. You can't even get the documentation.

There are other options that work just as well both less powerful and cheaper (Espressif and similar) or equally as powerful and same price (Beaglebone and similar). And these are genuinely open.

I really don't get all the Raspberry Pi love among open source folks.

Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by problems on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:24AM (#14700119)
There's 2 separate but somewhat related communities here - open source and open hardware. Most open source people don't care that much about hardware. They just want a cheap and tiny Linux box, maybe with some GPIO pins.

And really, you can take it further - is espressif really better? You can buy the chip, but it's not like they give you the actual transistor-level design so you can modify it and redistribute it as you so choose.

Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by bsder on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:28AM (#14700130)
> Most open source people don't care that much about hardware.

That may be, but, in this case, Mozilla needs to care and should know better. Especially when there are perfectly fine alternative options.

Broadcom can torpedo this if it starts impinging on their own business in some way. That's not the kind of power you want to hand to somebody when you are trying to promulgate something.

Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by problems on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @10:58AM (#14702874)
> Broadcom can torpedo this if it starts impinging on their own business in some way. That's not the kind of power you want to hand to somebody when you are trying to promulgate something.

Not really - if broadcom torpedos it, tomorrow the raspi guys buy Mediatek or Allwinner chips instead or we switch to a different board maker. They don't go bust on the spot and almost everything software wise would remain the same even on a different board. Plenty of similar boards are already using these other chips, there's lots of competition in the ARM SoC space.

Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by kennydude on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:08AM (#14709030)
I think they only picked Broadcom because the founder used to work for them and knew how the chips worked.
Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by kennydude on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @06:28AM (#14701252)
It is cheaper and more affordable than Beaglebone (£60 vs £25-30)
Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by bsder on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @02:59PM (#14705198)
It's really not:

Digikey US: Raspberry Pi 3: $40 Beaglebone Green: $44

Farnell UK: Raspberry Pi 3: £33.96 Beaglebone Black: £39.74

And the Beaglebone kits all come with a USB cable and don't need a microSD card (both purchased separately for the RPi).

It does seem to be that there are availability issues in the UK with the newer Beaglebone Green, Black Wireless and Blue.

Re:Build Your Own Web of Things Gateway by kennydude on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:07AM (#14709026)
Amazon has inflated prices then :G