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Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by slackingoff2017 on Saturday July 01, 2017 @06:17AM (#14676381)
You may want to consider a move to a happier place, the Midwest is not doing well these days. I moved from an economically depressed city in the midwest to a southern tech boomtown a few years ago and the difference in mood is striking. Everyone is new here, everyone is making good money. Remember how it was right before the housing crisis or before the dotcom bubble burst? That's how it feels here.

The Midwest is messed up. Almost every major city is having budget problems, increasing unemployment and crime, higher taxes. Industry is leaving or has already left, and the rich people (who proportionally pay most of the taxes) are following. The Midwest used to be known for manufacturing and heavy industry and these are the two segments of the economy hit hardest by globalization.

Illinois is the best example of this. It's the only state with a shrinking population, and the average income of people leaving is almost $25,000 more than those moving in. People that can afford to leave easily are jumping ship. The south side collapsed with the steel industry thirty years ago and sent the state into a slow decline. Only the north end of Chicago is even worth visiting these days. The rest of the city and state is functionally bankrupt.

If you don't want to move as far there's a couple cities diversified enough to avoid the decline. Madison WI is the best example I can think of. Otherwise do yourself a favor and visit some reputable cities in the sun belt.

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by TheAdamAndChe on Saturday July 01, 2017 @07:28AM (#14676621)
> ...do yourself a favor and visit some reputable cities in the sun belt.

On an individual level this might make sense, but if everyone does this, it just amplifies existing problems. In the city you're leaving, inequality would just grow worse, there would be a brain drain, and family support structures would weaken. In the city you're going to, housing costs would go up, and pockets of area would be insulated from the wider reality of economic decline. This would cause areas of the country that strongly vote one way, and the rest of the country would vote the other.

Instead of encouraging people to just move, why not encourage people to stay and help those who are experiencing a declining quality of life? It would accomplish more than just leaving to "reputable," aka "rich" cities.

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by okr on Saturday July 01, 2017 @08:33AM (#14676827)
Because its like riding a dead horse. I think, there are reasons, why areas go bad, and those reasons will not go away, unless people leave the s* holes. I do not see any obligation to stay, when its bad.

So i'd say, its reasonable to go abroad, to abandon home and make something of life, when you have a chance to do it. And later, if you still feel close to your home, you can return and create something that makes sense for you, with confidence and resources. The root causes, why areas went bad, may have died and there might be space and hunger to grow something new. That is at least my colorful narrative.

I work with many people from so considered poorer countries. They all miss their homes. But actually no one ever said, they want to go back and build something. :)

I think there is no obligation to stay at one place and make it work.

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by pm90 on Saturday July 01, 2017 @10:54AM (#14677364)
Going back is considerably harder than you may think. Once you move to a new place, you create a life for yourself, you form social networks, relationships, habits etc. Leaving all that for the uncertainty of a place which you left because of whatever reason seems like a huge gamble and something I would personally find hard to do.

Of course, it depends on ones nature. I have friends who miss and pine for their home country and do end up going back. Others like myself enjoy our new lives and identities in the US and stay.

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by RobertoG on Saturday July 01, 2017 @11:26AM (#14677487)
Of course that you personally can't change the situation and you should take care of yourself first. Your are powerless to change a full community. The question is, should we do something collectively?

In a way, I think, this is precisely what the discussion in this thread is about.

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by gozur88 on Saturday July 01, 2017 @01:10PM (#14677905)
It makes sense for everyone if people move to where the jobs are. Why would you encourage people to stay in a place they can't thrive?
Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by slackingoff2017 on Saturday July 01, 2017 @12:08PM (#14677654)
Do I care about the state more than myself and my family? No. I'm going to do what's best for us. Encouraging people to stay goes against their best interests.
Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by foldr on Saturday July 01, 2017 @08:13AM (#14676768)
>everyone is making good money

For some highly restrictive definition of "everyone". I think this statement kind of exemplifies the problem.

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by slackingoff2017 on Saturday July 01, 2017 @12:13PM (#14677681)
In cities with booming economies this is accurate. High income newcomers spend a lot of money which creates more jobs and raises wages for existing residents. Any long time residents that own property have newfound wealth, and local businesses thrive.
Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by foldr on Saturday July 01, 2017 @03:25PM (#14678528)
Most of the tech boomtowns have significant poverty, and the tech industry seems to have made it somewhat worse, not better.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2015/04/01/poverty-rates-near-rec...

Re:Poverty is not a personal choice, but a reflection of soc... by jimmies on Saturday July 01, 2017 @09:29AM (#14677024)
Thank you for the advice - I'm moving (to the coast). I'm just staying in here for my education (college and post-graduate degree).

What is sad was the town I'm living in is a college town, and I can't imagine it being uninviting before I moved here. I used to live in a smaller college town, and while it was really really small, I didn't feel that way.