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Re:Strange Noise in Gravitational-Wave Data Sparks Debate by maxander on Saturday July 01, 2017 @12:30AM (#14675395)
Do they propose a mechanism for how there could be simultaneous correlations between the two detectors that aren't gravitational waves? There's few enough forces that can act through kilometers of solid earth that I'd be willing to take it as a given that they're uncorrelated, absent a signal... but then, I'm not a physicist.

Even more I'm-not-a-physicist-y speculation; could the additional correlation be some secondary gravitational wave effect hidden under the main signal, pointing to another aspect of the phenomenon?

Re:Strange Noise in Gravitational-Wave Data Sparks Debate by spuz on Saturday July 01, 2017 @07:51AM (#14676691)
I think the argument is that any correlation in the noise must be simply coincidental. In other words, the detection could be explained by chance rather than some true physical phenomenon measured by both detectors.

But, LIGO ran their detectors for 8 years at a lower sensitivity with no detections. Almost as soon as they turned on the upgraded detectors in September 2015, they detected the first event (GW150914) which appeared at a level that would have been undetectable previously. Also, they have made two other detections in the 1.5 years since. My guess is that if these events were due to flawed analysis, then we should have seen something during those first 8 years.

Re:Strange Noise in Gravitational-Wave Data Sparks Debate by mannykannot on Saturday July 01, 2017 @10:35AM (#14677256)
While I think it is unlikely that there is a problem here, one has to consider that upgrading the sensitivity could introduce or reveal a systematic error.

Also, it is not just a correlation that has been observed - it is a correlation that has a specific form, a rising fundamental frequency that happens to in line with what we would expect from merging black holes. I know there's an element of circularity in the argument, but what are the chances of that particular sort of signal arising from a spurious correlation?

Re:Strange Noise in Gravitational-Wave Data Sparks Debate by fleitz on Saturday July 01, 2017 @01:48AM (#14675602)
If gravity is waves, it stands to reason that there would be lots of noise that correlated as various events in the universe reach earth.
Re:Strange Noise in Gravitational-Wave Data Sparks Debate by posterboy on Saturday July 01, 2017 @09:17AM (#14676980)
gravity isn't waves, I think that was an overly simplistic description, but the explanation for noise does stand to reason, imho.
Re:Strange Noise in Gravitational-Wave Data Sparks Debate by maxander on Sunday July 02, 2017 @02:06PM (#14683603)
Gravity isn't waves, but it's a field that waves can exist in. (Similar to, the ocean isn't a wave but it can contain waves.)