>And, in my observations, similar toxic conversations and people acting in bad faith are downvoted on reddit.

I suppose I disagree with you there, as someone who hasn't used this website super much (about a year maybe?)and has been using reddit for about 5 years, HN seems much better to me in providing a longer, more concerted discussion. I didn't realise it was a meme though.

But that's just a personal opinion.