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Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by fern12 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:05PM (#14650379)
So true. I have thus far, seen the following comments in my (Mountain View) NextDoor feed, made by the anti-growth brigade:

-Complaints about the removal of trees to accommodate bicycle lanes

-Complaints about restriping/widening of bicycle lanes

-Complaints about how the architecture of new apt buildings on El Camino Real is ruining the character of MV

-Complaints about how the removal of historic buildings in downtown MV (by their landlords, who can no longer afford to maintain them) is also ruining the character of MV

-Complaints about why are there so many RVs and campers parked on Shoreline

-Complaints about why so many restaurants in downtown MV have a hiring shortage and quick turnover

-Complaints about why the checkout lines in Safeway are so long and there aren't enough checkers

-Complaints about the traffic on Shoreline (i.e. near Google)

-Complaints about Google's attempt to add pre-fab housing

And of course, if you imply that they should sell their $$$ house and move elsewhere, it becomes a discussion of how "my family has lived in MV for 3 generations, etc, who gives you the right to tell me how/when to move"

Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by jogjayr on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:56PM (#14650660)
> Complaints about how the architecture of new apt buildings on El Camino Real is ruining the character of MV

That's bizarre to me. The "architecture" on El Camino in MV is strictly of the suburban-strip-mall variety. Even identikit glitzy new apartment buildings are an improvement over that, even without taking into account how they can help alleviate the housing crisis.

Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by fern12 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:07PM (#14651431)
Agreed. That ship has sailed. Meanwhile, I drive by this house (http://tinyurl.com/yblhpelz) every day. The property has been boarded up and abandoned for at least 2 years. It's within walking distance to the Caltrain, and biking distance to Google and dozens of other tech companies. Yet there it remains.
Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by DrScump on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @09:55PM (#14651157)
One contrast is the Two Worlds development on El Camino. It mixes ground-floor business fronts with upper-floor residential... and it was built thirty-two years ago.
Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by DrScump on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @09:58PM (#14651174)
A Great Moment in Mountain View NIMBYism was when the former Emporium property at CA 85 and El Camino was optioned by Home Depot to build a store there. It would have brought millions of dollars in local tax revenue shares.

An initiative vote overturned the Planning Commission's approval -- "Big Box" stores were unwelcome (Ironically, a Best Buy now sits on the adjacent parcel).

The site became a residential care facility. Sunnyvale and East Palo Alto get that tax revenue instead.

Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by fern12 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:08PM (#14651434)
Fascinating tidbit of local history. Thanks for sharing.
Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by rayiner on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:43PM (#14650594)
I almost choked laughing at the idea MV has character.
Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by muninn_ on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:23PM (#14650497)
> -Complaints about the removal of trees to accommodate bicycle lanes

I would absolutely complain about that. Remove road lanes instead. Why would you remove trees? Are they idiots?

The rest of the stuff (ruining the character, etc...) are fine. There's no reason people can't be upset that this area they moved in to is changing because everybody else wanted to follow suit. I wouldn't want to have moved to Mountain View then all of a sudden Google shows up and now I'm dealing with all this bullshit traffic. Send Google somewhere else. They don't need to be on the coast.

You guys act like people don't have any right to wish to have their way of life preserved. Ridiculous.

Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by fern12 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:10PM (#14651436)
>I would absolutely complain about that. Remove road lanes instead. Why would you remove trees? Are they idiots?

Do you currently have a commute that involves Mountain View? Ever driven on Shoreline when there's both a concert and an accident on the 101? Ever gotten stuck on Rengstorff or Castro when there's a Caltrain incident?

Sure, let's remove a road lane. Then all the traffic will back up and clog the residential streets.

Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by muninn_ on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @05:50AM (#14652861)
Ok so what do you think happens if you keep adding lanes?

Hint: traffic never gets better. It's called induced demand. I for one also don't want my world turned into a mega highway for the suburbs. Once traffic gets bad enough, people will have to find alternatives, like biking, taking the bus, or simply moving to other areas.

Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by fern12 on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @02:12PM (#14656700)
I never said anything about adding additional car lanes. My point was, that removing trees to add a bike lane can be a good thing. Yes, it is unfortunate to remove a historical tree, but if it makes bicycling safer and takes more cars off the road, why not?
Re:Despite money and effort, homelessness in SF as bad as ever by prawn on Wednesday June 28, 2017 @01:34AM (#14651924)
Are there congestion charges of any sort in SF?