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Re:JavaScript Fatigue or My History with Web Development by fenwick67 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:27PM (#14646836)
Yes yes yes. Simply creating nested elements and getting references to each of them is such a huge pain, and it's a huge part of why frameworks are needed.

You would think creating, say, a form with a button and a textarea, and getting references to those things would be simple, but it's crazy painful in vanilla JS.

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