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Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by baybal2 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:03AM (#14645435)
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SHENZHEN—Gan Liping pumped her bike across a busy street, racing to beat a crossing light before it turned red. She didn’t make it. Immediately, her face popped up on two video screens above the street. “Jaywalkers will be captured using facial-recognition technology,” the screens said.

Facial-recognition technology, once a specter of dystopian science fiction, is becoming a feature of daily life in China, where authorities are using it on streets, in subway stations, at airports and at border crossings in a vast experiment in social engineering. Their goal: to influence behavior and identify lawbreakers.

Ms. Gan, 31 years old, had been caught on camera crossing illegally here once before, allowing the system to match her two images. Text displayed on the crosswalk screens identified her as a repeat offender.

“I won’t ever run a red light again,” she said.

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by loudmax on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:37AM (#14646381)
These types of stories bring to David Brin's approach to privacy: http://www.davidbrin.com/transparency.html

Brin's argument is that as the technology to record everything becomes so cheap that the cost is trivial, trying to enforce privacy and anonymity in a sea of cameras is a losing battle. We're better off as a society if we allow the recording and de-anonymization of public spaces, but we should also make this information free to anyone. In return for the loss privacy in public spaces, we should demand that the wealthy and powerful give up some of their privacy as well. Obviously, the wealthy and powerful will fight to keep their privacy, but as recording devices become ubiquitous the landscape favors those pushing to set information free rather than those trying to secure it.

To relate it to the story here, rather than fighting the anonymity of private citizens who commit minor trespasses like jaywalking, we should be focusing on uncovering trespasses committed by those in power. Say, the financial dealings of Xi Jinping or Donald Trump.

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by CaptSpify on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:28PM (#14646840)
As an extremely privacy-supporting individual, I can kind of see where he's coming from, however:

I don't think it would work if we didn't apply it to everyone equally. I don't care what your job is, or how many "state secrets" it deals with, no exceptions.

I also think it would bring ~10 years of extreme societal collapse as we would realize that most of our social norms make no sense, and those things that we demonize are actually quite common.

You might also be interested in: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/08/this-ma...

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by steveeq1 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:51PM (#14647018)
> I also think it would bring ~10 years of extreme societal collapse as we would realize that most of our social norms make no sense, and those things that we demonize are actually quite common.

Like racism?

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by CaptSpify on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @01:31PM (#14647399)
Sure. I would guess that racism is indeed probably more common than most people realize. But don't get me wrong: Just because something is common, doesn't mean we should move to just accepting it. I think it would actually highlight how subtly and unconsciously racist many people are, which would help us solve that problem.

I was thinking of things more like: functional drug users, sexual-practices, etc.

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by steveeq1 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:38PM (#14648013)
> I think it would actually highlight how subtly and unconsciously racist many people are, which would help us solve that problem.

One can make the same argument about height-ism, ugly-ism, or money-ism.

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by zo1 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:18PM (#14650456)
No, we only want to include the discrimination that we don't like. Attractive, tall and rich people are not a protected class of citizens!
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by verroq on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:43AM (#14646438)
The flaw I feel is that the entire idea of being part of the elite is that you are above the law.

We already have courts and laws, however being rich and well connected offers a degree of immunity.

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by trevos on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:54AM (#14646549)
Completely disagree. Instead, we make it illegal to record people in public spaces without warning and consent. Make it a criminal offence with strong penalties, especially for the publication of people-identifying records. It should be illegal to set up a camera on one's fence along a highway and publish the license plates and times of cars passing by.
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by ghaff on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:10PM (#14646685)
Whether or not it's a good thing given the advent of ubiquitous facial recognition software, that's never ever going to happen. You're basically arguing for photography being banned in public spaces. The fact that would almost certainly be unconstitutional in the US is probably the least of the barriers to implementing such a law.
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by accountyaccount on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @01:51PM (#14647582)
I think this is nearing pure impossibility. How could you even begin to enforce it?
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by stuaxo on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:07AM (#14645472)
What does it do to people - once you internalise that much compliance ?
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by hellbanner on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:20AM (#14645605)
It's been happening for a while, and the frogs in the pot will get used to this too.

"It's for the greater good"

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by natch on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @05:18PM (#14649548)
It makes them build their lives around the assumption that only activities that everyone else seems to be doing, are safe to do.

You could say that in more (relatively) free societies it is also this way. But no. In China the default position is "everything is forbidden unless explicitly permitted" whereas in the US for example this is flipped to the near opposite position, "everything is permitted unless it involves doing something forbidden."

Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by kronos29296 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:31AM (#14646306)
1984 is happening in China. Sounds horrible. Happy I am not there. (Big Brother is watching you)
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by E6300 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @05:07PM (#14649457)
Interesting. I think the way to defeat this would be for everyone to jaywalk all the time, as often as possible. It would be even more interesting if the software actually displays the number of times the person has been caught. Gamify it and such.
Re:China’s facial-recognition systems crunch data from camer... by schoen on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:57PM (#14648172)
Do they really think that their false-positive rate is low enough in this setting that they should just put accusations on screens like that? Well, how low is their false-positive rate in this setting?