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Re:New Model of Evolution Reveals How Cooperation Evolves by hackinthebochs on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:40PM (#14624119)
>you say molecules can't be selected for because they're not organisms

You misunderstand. My point about organisms was that selection happens at the level of organism, which was an imprecise way of saying organisms are what either procreates or dies, and so this is the level at which selection events occur. So any purported selection at a different level must have some organism-level proxy.

The statistics of what survives and what doesn't can still show effects happening at different levels. So when I speak of gene selection, I'm speaking from a statistical perspective. When I said that diversity isn't itself selected for, I meant that there is no strictly "diversity" selection happening at the level of organism.

>You also never responded to the fact that humans are colonies

Yes, humans are "colonies", meaning that we show cooperative behavior. But I don't see how that's relevant, at least in light of ways to understand the evolution of cooperative behavior at the gene level.

Re:New Model of Evolution Reveals How Cooperation Evolves by erikpukinskis on Saturday June 24, 2017 @06:30PM (#14627748)
No, you are a colony. You contain multitudes.

Try to find a reputable scientist who will tell you there is an unambiguous distinction between an organism and an ecology. You won't find one, because there is no line. Nature doesn't care if you're a hive or a molecule.

How about viruses? Those aren't organisms, they can't reproduce at all. Just like an organ, or a gene, they need a host to replicate them.

Is it your opinion that viruses aren't subject to selective pressure?

Re:New Model of Evolution Reveals How Cooperation Evolves by hackinthebochs on Saturday June 24, 2017 @07:55PM (#14627967)
>How about viruses? Those aren't organisms, they can't reproduce at all.

You seem to have trouble comprehending what's being said in context. Try to stop taking things out of context and then nitpicking them. If you came away from anything I've said thinking that I don't think viruses are subject to selective pressures, then you just didn't understand any of it.