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Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by Alex3917 on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:34PM (#14623269)
> that's still sexual harassment by the letter of the law and slimy as hell every other way.

IANAL, but legally it's not sexual harassment because they don't work at the same company.

Something is only sexual harassment in two cases: 1) a supervisor offers something to a subordinate in exchange for sexual favors 2) a company is found to have created a hostile work environment. In both cases it's the company that's liable, not the person or people doing the harassment. There may be some extra rules that exist in individual states, but this is the general idea.

Certainly it's bad behavior, but because there isn't any real power imbalance between entrepreneurs and VCs the problem can mostly be dealt with socially (as has happened here) rather than being a situation that requires some specific legal intervention. (Or at least that's the general legal theory.)

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by xyzzy_plugh on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:46PM (#14623335)
What? Anyone can be sexually harassed by anyone else, workplace has nothing to do with it. Sexual harassment in the workplace is egregious because the conflict of interests. E.g. my boss harasses me, but if I complain I jeopardize my livelihood.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by dfabulich on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:13PM (#14623449)
Alex3917 is right that sexual harassment outside the workplace is not illegal, but it's incorrect to say it's not "legally sexual harassment." It is sexual harassment, it's just not illegal sexual harassment.

For example, catcalling on the street isn't illegal. It's still sexual harassment, it's still unethical, but it's not illegal.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by felipemnoa on Friday June 23, 2017 @11:40PM (#14624265)
>>For example, catcalling on the street isn't illegal

Apparently in some instances and places it is. Follow the link.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/29/catca...

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by xyzzy_plugh on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:28PM (#14623506)
That's fair. In many developed countries sexual harassment laws extend to any situation where there is a power imbalance such as in education or in housing (landlord vs. tenant).
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by kafkaesq on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:35PM (#14623547)
workplace has nothing to do with it.

Unfortunately this isn't true, from a legal point of view; in many jurisdictions, the legal definition of SH is specifically tailored (and constrained) to "the workplace".

Mind you I'm not talking about what's "slimy", "invasive", or what infringes on one's natural rights as a human being or anything about that. But rather, the legal definition. Which doesn't always jibe with what people would or like it to be.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by boomlinde on Saturday June 24, 2017 @06:17AM (#14625099)
Where?
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by kafkaesq on Monday June 26, 2017 @03:01PM (#14639329)
Lots of state and city jurisdictions in the U.S., for example.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by jacquesm on Saturday June 24, 2017 @01:44AM (#14624524)
> because there isn't any real power imbalance between entrepreneurs and VCs

?? Sorry?

There is a huge power imbalance between entrepreneurs and VCs.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by skywhopper on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:21PM (#14623725)
Did you mean to say there's not a power imbalance between VCs and entrepreneurs? Because you clearly don't understand the situation if you believe that's true.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by redial on Friday June 23, 2017 @08:28PM (#14623734)
I think he meant it in the context required by law. Power imbalance shows itself in every human (maybe animal?) interaction, whether money is involved or not.
Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by munchbunny on Friday June 23, 2017 @07:34PM (#14623545)
You are right that it's not illegal because it's not within the scope of a company.

What I meant is that the EEOC decided to draw a line, and aside from the "in the context of a company" requirement, the behavior in the stories I've heard definitely crosses that line rather than just being an uncomfortable and sketchy situation.

I would argue however, that because VC's are holding the money and entrepreneurs are trying to raise, it might not be as bad as a boss/employee power dynamic, but the power is certainly held by the VC in the situation.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by Alex3917 on Friday June 23, 2017 @10:31PM (#14624093)
> I would argue however, that because VC's are holding the money and entrepreneurs are trying to raise, it might not be as bad as a boss/employee power dynamic, but the power is certainly held by the VC in the situation.

- The vast majority of highly successful companies don't raise venture. VCs need equity, entrepreneurs don't need money.

- The vast majority of companies that raise VC don't succeed.

- The vast majority of VC funds have lower than market returns.

I think the real situation is more that a lot of inexperienced founders glom onto VCs because they think that not having money is what's keeping them from succeeding.

There is also a common belief that the fact that VCs are predominantly male is creating a power imbalance that's keeping women from being more successful, despite the fact that the empirical evidence from other industries seemingly shows that there isn't much correlation between the sex of the gatekeepers and who they choose to back. E.g. LP is pretty gender balanced and most VCs are male, most literary agents and publishers are female but most published authors are male, etc. If there were more female VCs then it's possible that more women would get funded, but I think right now that theory is more of a truthclaim than anything else.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by mcbits on Saturday June 24, 2017 @02:03AM (#14624557)
One person has $100 million that they'd like to turn into $1 billion. Another person has a plan that is likely to fail, but it's new territory with great potential. If no deal happens, one person still has $100 million while the other still has their unexecuted plan and hopefully a job or something.

The power imbalance is pretty obvious in that kind of scenario. It's less of an imbalance if the entrepreneur is also wealthy and just raising money to share risk or build alliances.

Point is, if you have multiple millions of dollars, "do nothing" is always on the table, which isn't so for many founders.

Re:6 Women Accuse Tech VC Justin Caldbeck of Sexual Assault ... by Alex3917 on Saturday June 24, 2017 @08:21AM (#14625343)
> If no deal happens, one person still has $100 million while the other still has their unexecuted plan and hopefully a job or something. The power imbalance is pretty obvious in that kind of scenario.

I don't see any power imbalance that exists within the relationship here. Compare this with the laws that prevent a therapist from dating a client, which are in place because one party can take advantage of the other or blackmail them or have them involuntarily committed. That's a power imbalance.

I also think this is a very orientalist view of the industry. How many founders actually raise institutional money off just a deck each year, who don't otherwise have the skills to earn a lot of money consulting or whatever?

I'm not trying to defend the behavior here in any way, I just think that the reason why it's wrong for a VC to aggressively proposition a founder or whatever is different than, for example, what makes it wrong for an employer to have a relationship with an employee.