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Re:Against Murderism by bitwize on Thursday June 22, 2017 @05:38PM (#14615553)
I think that racism is one of those words that have multiple meanings we are intended to confuse. My favorite example of this is "AAA" in gaming. Does it mean:

a. a high quality game

b. a popular game

c. a game that cost a lot of money to produce and, especially, market

The correct answer is c, but game-industry marketroids believe, and want you to believe, that all three are coterminous with each other.

Now back to racism. Does it mean:

a. evil intent towards another race

b. belief in racial superiority/inferiority

c. a tendency to produce effects that disadvantage people of one race

The answer is a, but people want you to believe that all three categories are coterminous. Meaning if you hold b. beliefs or take actions that fit c., you are also in category a.

The reasons for this are complex and have to do with backlash. Once we decide that X is horrible, we overcompensate in taking great care not to do anything that could be construed as X because we are afraid of how we might be judged. After World War II, the allied world (except for the USA) decided that nationalism is bad because it leads to Hitler, so you have cosmopolitan Europeans and Canadians falling all over themselves trying not to exhibit any sort of national pride and in fact telling people they have no attachment to their accidentally assigned nationality. Except when a soccer match is on or something.

Re:Against Murderism by majewsky on Friday June 23, 2017 @06:52AM (#14618225)
> After World War II, the allied world (except for the USA) decided that nationalism is bad because it leads to Hitler, so you have cosmopolitan Europeans and Canadians falling all over themselves trying not to exhibit any sort of national pride

It's good that you added the word "cosmopolitan" here, because large chunks of the population in most European countries don't try to hide their nationalism in any way.

> and in fact telling people they have no attachment to their accidentally assigned nationality

This phrasing is insidious because you're implicitly denying that this position could be hold earnestly. In fact, I'm German, and I will tell you exactly that. I'm grateful for being born into a situation of relative wealth, freedom and stability. But to me, a state is not much more than a provider of legal and physical infrastructure. How can you peek into my head to verify whether that is just a claim or the truth?

> Except when a soccer match is on or something.

Yeah, that one puzzles me, too.

Re:Against Murderism by bitwize on Friday June 23, 2017 @05:11PM (#14622836)
> How can you peek into my head to verify whether that is just a claim or the truth?

That's just the thing. I can't. But I think more Germans would openly express pride in being German if pride in being German weren't associated with goosestepping and gas chambers.

Whatever the case, the only thing I have is the extensional evidence -- their claims. So that's all I'll cop to.