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Re:Storage ‘not fundamentally needed’ for future power grid,... by oceanplexian on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @11:16AM (#14595229)
Your house!?

I think this misses the elephant in the room. Large industrial machinery. Data centers. Manufacturing. Electrified transportation. At the place I work, we use more electricity in a single, 19 inch high density server rack than your entire neighborhood. We have rooms full of batteries like the Tesla Powerwall and would be lucky if they could operate for 10 minutes.

Re:Storage ‘not fundamentally needed’ for future power grid,... by rb808 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @11:28AM (#14595342)
> Large industrial machinery. Data centers. Manufacturing

The good thing is these loads are relatively constant and predictable. One reasons electricity is expensive is the peak loads are much higher than a regular day - you need a power station (or storage) on standby for that hot day when everyone suddenly runs their AC continuously all afternoon.

>Electrified transportation

This is different and a good opportunity that the article talks about. Esp a plugin hybrid could charge on windy sunny days and not charge in the peak times as above.

Re:Storage ‘not fundamentally needed’ for future power grid,... by adrianN on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:31PM (#14597215)
Huge loads like Aluminium smelters are already "smart" and cooperate with the electricity providers, so there is not as much left to gain there.
Re:Storage ‘not fundamentally needed’ for future power grid,... by askvictor on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @06:50PM (#14599234)
Yes and no; you can't just switch off an aluminium smelter with destroying it; it takes quite a bit of time to ramp it down. I think that for forecast high demand they shut down production in a planned way.
Re:Storage ‘not fundamentally needed’ for future power grid,... by philipkglass on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @03:47PM (#14597902)
In the United States, more electricity is used residentially than commercially or industrially (4.8, 4.6, and 3.2 quads respectively in 2016):

https://flowcharts.llnl.gov/content/assets/images/energy/us/...

Re:Storage ‘not fundamentally needed’ for future power grid,... by pjc50 on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @05:33AM (#14602304)
This is not nearly upvoted enough.

The mentality is the same as the California water crisis: ignore the big industrial uses like agriculture, instead pester people to run taps for a few seconds less.