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Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by tacomonstrous on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:42PM (#14592031)
>The idea is that everything is reduced to elementary physical structures. Therefore nothing can be extra-physcial, super-natural or otherwise. I.e. non-dualist. Therefore the mind must be reduced to physical structures.

I understand that some people claim this to be a definition, but that hardly makes it one. What's 'extra-physical'? To do this, you must first define what boundaries physicality has. I don't think there is any good definition to be offered here without begging the question.

>So is there anything that is uncaused? When the scientist constructs an experiment do they think "oh what if the billiard ball moved without cause?".

A scientist has a model for certain phenomena that can be verified experimentally. One can call this causality, sure, but that it leads inexorably towards determinism seems far from clear to me.

>Actually "new-agey" thought tries to do the exact opposite: save dualism and free will.

I have no opinion on the question of 'free will' as you frame it. Is it part of the human condition that one's circumstances have a large role to play in how life proceeds? Certainly! I'm just against the view that science has anything to say about it.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by amasad on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:53PM (#14592081)
>I understand that some people claim this to be a definition, but that hardly makes it one. What's 'extra-physical'? To do this, you must first define what boundaries physicality has. I don't think there is any good definition to be offered here without begging the question.

I get that this question can be recursively applied. It's children's favorite game -- to keep asking "what is ____?". I'm going to guess that you disagree with philosophy as a whole and will keep questioning if anything philosophers discuss is well-defined. If that's the case why are we then discussing philosophy?

EDIT: you can also say "I disagree with physicalism" or "I'm a dualist". But saying all those things are not well-defined is merely a cop-out.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by tacomonstrous on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @12:05AM (#14592127)
We can discuss philosophical notions, but then we are discussing philosophy and not science.

I just have a distaste for bringing science into a discussion where it can be finagled into whatever one finds convenient for the matter at hand.