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Re:The Mammoth Pirates by Turing_Machine on Sunday June 18, 2017 @04:15PM (#14582649)
"Distinguishing mammoth ivory from elephant ivory is pretty hard"

No, it isn't.

https://www.fws.gov/lab/ivory_natural.php

"as a result sales of mammoth ivory can act as a cover for sales of illegal elephant ivory."

[citation needed]

What would be the economic incentive for selling the (breathtakingly expensive) elephant ivory as the (much cheaper, though still expensive) fossil ivory?

Re:The Mammoth Pirates by adamnemecek on Sunday June 18, 2017 @04:52PM (#14582861)
You need a lab to tell them apart yeah. Also note that some of these methods are destructive. Please note that I've had a short email discussion about this people from the Wildlife lab, so I have an OK understand of the issue.

> [citation needed]

Ebin reference xddddd.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/08/wildlife-woolly-m...

You misunderstand the situation. Poachers would kill elephants for ivory, pass it off as mammoth ivory for import reasons and then sold it as ivory again.

Re:The Mammoth Pirates by Turing_Machine on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @10:41AM (#14594986)
"You need a lab to tell them apart yeah."

No, in general, you don't need a lab to tell them apart when they're in the raw state. Fossil ivory is pretty distinctive in appearance.

You could maybe stain modern ivory to make it look like fossil ivory, but that would make it considerably less valuable.

And yeah, you could label the containers of modern ivory as fossil ivory, but you could also label them as medical supplies, soybeans, or wingnuts. It isn't going to fool anyone who actually opens the container.

Re:The Mammoth Pirates by adamnemecek on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @10:46AM (#14595027)
Are you an expert on this?
Re:The Mammoth Pirates by Turing_Machine on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @09:35PM (#14599984)
No, I'm not an expert, but I've seen plenty of artifacts that are made from both fossil ivory and modern ivory. They simply don't look alike, not even to a casual glance.

How many exampes of both have you seen, in person?

I won't dispute that fossil ivory could possibly be bleached to look like modern ivory (which would have no effect on the elephants or arguably a positive effect, since it would be eating some of the market for the modern stuff), or that modern ivory could be stained to look like fossil ivory (which would devalue it).

I just don't see any economic incentive to do either one.

Re:The Mammoth Pirates by matthewmarkus on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:28AM (#14587662)
The situation only holds when the market price of mammoth ivory is roughly the same as that for elephant ivory. If mammoth ivory was much cheaper than elephant ivory, then killing elephants wouldn't be economical. Unfortunately, mammoth ivory is an extractive process, like mining, so it is unclear if the price could be brought down and kept there for an extended period. Still, it is more than likely that mammoth ivory has had a protective effect on elephants; although, I know of no studies examining the issue.