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Re:Tesla Autopilot by sbierwagen on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:51AM (#14574495)
"All Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver."

In the Model S configuration page, "enhanced autopilot" and "full self-driving capability" are still optional extras that together cost $8,000, so I'm not sure what they're talking about here.

https://www.tesla.com/models/design

Re:Tesla Autopilot by gervase on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:57AM (#14574509)
My understanding is that all new Tesla vehicles have all the necessary hardware, and the features are software-locked behind that $8,000 fee.

Apparently, these features can also be unlocked at a future time, for a higher fee of $10,000.

Re:Tesla Autopilot by prostoalex on Saturday June 17, 2017 @02:31AM (#14574592)
Just new? My understanding is that all applies to every single Model S ever produced.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by AdamTReineke on Saturday June 17, 2017 @02:58AM (#14574655)
Just new ones, since fall of 2016. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot for more on the different hardware generations.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by _ph_ on Saturday June 17, 2017 @03:01AM (#14574662)
The 8 camera system with NVidia hardware has been built into all Model S since October 2016. Before they used a Mobileye system with one camera. Only the 8 camera system is promised to achieve full autonomy.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by skykooler on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:57AM (#14574510)
All Teslas come with the hardware needed. The $8000 enables the software.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by bald on Saturday June 17, 2017 @05:47AM (#14575075)
No. Source: owner of a 2013 Model S
Re:Tesla Autopilot by skykooler on Saturday June 17, 2017 @12:12PM (#14576452)
I should say, all Teslas currently being made.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by sbierwagen on Saturday June 17, 2017 @02:16AM (#14574555)
If true, then it seems rather disingenuous to advertise that all Teslas are capable of self driving, if it costs eight grand to turn the sensors on. I wouldn't expect a car advertised to have 1000 horsepower to require a multi-thousand dollar software patch to be able to use more than a hundred hp.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by p49k on Saturday June 17, 2017 @03:30AM (#14574734)
They didn't advertise that all Teslas are capable of self-driving, they just say that the hardware has the capability. They're specifically speaking in computer terms, even - I wouldn't expect that buying a computer advertised as having the hardware to run <game> at 120fps would include a copy of that game.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by DaiPlusPlus on Saturday June 17, 2017 @04:23AM (#14574880)
But if it's a game-console that's advertised as being able to play a particular game very well... but it's also the only console capable of playing that particular game... and they're both made by the same company, seems a bit mean.

It's also equivalent to those high-end network switches with 48 ports that have soft-locks to disable ports on the switch until you fork-out $lots to unlock them: it's an artificial limitation.

Re:Tesla Autopilot by dingo_bat on Saturday June 17, 2017 @08:40AM (#14575638)
I think the sensors are always on, in all cars. Just to gather data.
Re:Tesla Autopilot by veidr on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:58AM (#14574514)
They have the hardware but you gotta pay for that sweet sweet soft ware