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Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by jacquesm on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:36PM (#14573338)
> Malice seems unlikely.

On the contrary, I suspect that is the most likely explanation. See, if there were any other explanation then the government would go out of its way to provide people without identification with the right identification.

> There has to be some way to prove your identity

There are many ways, for instance in some countries several citizens themselves in the possession of valid identification go together with you before a judge and swear on the penalty of perjury that you are who you say you are.

> and people have tried to impersonate others.

Yes, and guess what that valid ID is meant to reduce?

> Is there a way to offer that kind of system while avoiding the concerns about identity theft?

Well, given that we have fingerprinting and biometric information these days it is hard to think of what else - short of DNA - we could give up to offer 'that kind of system' but don't worry, it will still happen and probably in your lifetime.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by sillysaurus3 on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:43PM (#14573383)
There are many ways, for instance in some countries several citizens themselves in the possession of valid identification go together with you before a judge and swear on the penalty of perjury that you are who you say you are.

I like that approach. I wonder if there's some way to campaign for it here in the US.

It seems more likely that the lack of this system is just what you get with lowest-common-denominator governance, so there are probably ways to change it for the better. If we could think of a way to add economic incentives to implement it, then it might have a chance.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by bluedino on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:47PM (#14573402)
Even if the government issues me a free ID I don't have to carry it and I can tell anyone who asks that I am my brother
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Swizec on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:01PM (#14573453)
Except in most of Europe where not having ID if you are an adult is illegal. Not in the "We will go after you if you don't have ID" way but in the "If shit happens and you can't prove your identity you are in serious deep shit"

Just like snow equipment is mandatory to have in your car but nobody cared until you cause an accident or traffic jam because you didn't put chains on.

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by zurn on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:01AM (#14574355)
Citation needed?
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by Swizec on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:09AM (#14574375)
> According to a 1996 publication by Privacy International, around 100 countries had enacted laws making identity cards compulsory.[1] In these countries, the card must be shown on demand by authorised personnel under specified circumstances. In some countries alternative proof of identity, such as a driving licence is acceptable. Privacy International said that "virtually no common law country has a card".[1]

> The term "compulsory" may have different meanings and implications in different countries. Possession of a card may only become compulsory at a certain age. There may be a penalty for not carrying a card or other legally valid identification (a passport, for foreigners); in some cases a person may be detained until identity is proven. This way the police can identify fugitives

On the list are 14 out of 28 EU countries if my count is correct. And a few more European non-EU countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_ca...

Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by zurn on Saturday June 17, 2017 @02:13AM (#14574545)
By that list, it does not sound like many EU countries require you to keep it with you with threat of penalty. Certainly very far from "most". Netherlands sounds like a strange exception to the rule with otherwise liberal society. Serbia is a relatively recent civil war zone so kind of understandable.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by jacquesm on Saturday June 17, 2017 @08:14AM (#14575554)
NL is shameful in this respect. What's even worse is that the general public totally bought the line that this would reduce crime. Instead, people are now somewhat routinely booked for not being able to identify themselves even though that's the only thing they are doing wrong at that moment.
Re:The cruel Catch-22 of being poor with no ID by jacquesm on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:52PM (#14573419)
And I could say I am you. That wouldn't make it true though.