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Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by ashark on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:12PM (#14571347)
What might plausibly happen to Earth that'd make it less appealing than Mars, even temporarily? You've gotta practically melt the whole planet's surface or strip a bunch of its atmosphere or something wild like that to even maybe reach that point. Hell, all the oceans could simply vanish tomorrow and this place'd still be less awful than Mars (though obviously very, very bad—which just emphasizes how truly terrible a habitat Mars is, that we can go to such extremes and still not have made Earth as bad).
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by gpm on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:55PM (#14571737)
People and unpredictability.

In any worldwide disaster on earth, there are going to be a lot of people competing to survive. Building large fragile structures to, e.g., keep the now poisonous atmosphere out because people outside of those structures will have a tendency to destroy them. On mars, you don't have that, you have a relatively stable society where everyone is in one boat together.

If your on mars you also know exactly what you're going to face. The temperature, lack of significant atmosphere, and dust storms. That's pretty much it. You can prepare. On earth you don't know what's going to happen next. Significant die off of oxygen generating plants creating an unbreathable atmosphere? Lack of water? Too much water (flooding)? Hurricane? Nuclear war (or super volcano/asteroid, but those are less likely) throwing up dust and blocking out sun? Unmaintained dam breaking upstream? Unmaintained pipeline poisoning water supply? Earthquake? You can prepare for any one event, even in a post apocalyptic world, better on earth than on mars. But you can't necessarily prepare for them all as well. And even if you could, you won't be motivated to because you can cut corners.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by babyrainbow on Friday June 16, 2017 @09:06PM (#14573712)
>If your on mars you also know exactly what you're going to face. The temperature, lack of significant atmosphere, and dust storms. That's pretty much it. You can prepare. On earth you don't know what's going to happen next...

Is Mars somehow immune to volcanos and asteroids?

Man some people really want to get off this planet! Earth has given birth and sustained life for so long, and now earth is "unpredictable"!

No comments about your other "arguments".

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by gpm on Friday June 16, 2017 @10:06PM (#14573902)
Volcanoes, yes. There is no molten core.

Asteroids, no, but it is likely more immune to long term dust clouds in the atmosphere as a result (since the atmosphere is so thin). On the other hand dust storms are similar.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by babyrainbow on Saturday June 17, 2017 @01:17AM (#14574407)
> Volcanoes, yes. There is no molten core.

Seems like we are not really sure about that...

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11962-lab-study-indic...

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by gpm on Saturday June 17, 2017 @06:14AM (#14575137)
That's interesting. Still no volcanoes (or other seismic activity) has been observed on mars, so it's pretty safe to say it's not something to worry about.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by babyrainbow on Saturday June 17, 2017 @06:48AM (#14575245)
> That's interesting. Still no volcanoes (or other seismic activity) has been observed on mars, so it's pretty safe to say it's not something to worry about.

I am not sure. Can you say how we have been looking for seismic/volcanic activity on mars.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by sillysaurus3 on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:19PM (#14571425)
Actually, there's at least one. There are essentially cosmic death rays that travel at the speed of light, undetectable until they reach us. I wish I could remember what they're called, but they're generated by black holes consuming stars, and they have far more energy than the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.

It's implausible that one will hit us, but if you're looking for a scientific and logical motivation, it's a possibility.

Also, colonizing mars is a necessary step toward avoiding what happens when our star reaches the end of its life. May as well start while we have the opportunity.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:28PM (#14571503)
Is it plausible that a cosmic death ray from afar could be so tightly focused that it didn't irradiate the entire inner solar system but only Earth?
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by grondilu on Friday June 16, 2017 @02:49PM (#14571682)
I'm no astrophysicist, but I think I can answer this one.

No, it is not plausible.

Most bodies in the solar system easily fit into a hundred astronomical unit radius sphere. The nearest star is four light-years away, and a light year is eighty-six thousand astronomical units. The ratio between those distances is 2530[1]. It'd be like hitting a meter size target from more than two and a half kilometer. Pretty good shot, and we're talking about Proxima centaury (which, last time I checked, won't go supernova anytime soon) and the distance between say Sedna and the Sun. If we were talking about an accuracy more of an astronomical unit, more like the distance between Earth and mars, then we're talking about a centimeter sized target.

Thus a gamma-ray burst would have to be insanely narrow to hit Earth and not mars. Not to mention how ridiculously unlucky we would have to be then in order for it to be precisely aimed at us.

1. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=four+light-year+divide...

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by Nadya on Friday June 16, 2017 @04:35PM (#14572451)
Mother Jupiter misses a catch and an asteroid hits the Earth, wiping out all life as we know it. Think world-ending events - as rare/far-fetched as they may be.

Some people don't want all of our eggs in one basket. The chances a planet gets destroyed is a bit higher than a solar system or multiple planets.

Also one counter-argument to this is "But then why not the Moon?" I don't have as strong of a counterargument for that other than without the Earth's gravitational pull keeping the Moon in orbit, maybe it will get knocked into the sun or something when Earth is destroyed. Also I'm pretty sure international treaties and such prevent colonization of the moon.

Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by ashark on Friday June 16, 2017 @07:20PM (#14573276)
I'd think even a dinosaur-killer-stricken earth with all kinds of climate and other problems would still be a lot more pleasant to live on than Mars. I mean, if you imagine an Earth that's been totally ruined in every imaginable way you're basically describing Mars, but still better because at least there's 1G of gravity and a really good built-in radiation shield.
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by yellowapple on Friday June 16, 2017 @05:24PM (#14572753)
The actual answer to "why not the Moon?" is - AFAICT - because it's less likely to be able to sustain a human population. Notably, there's a significant shortage of water compared to even Mars (though recent discoveries seem to indicate that there might be more water than previously thought).
Re:Elon Musk Publishes Plans for Colonizing Mars by jamesrcole on Friday June 16, 2017 @04:05PM (#14572232)
I think this is a case where Black Swans apply. You can't assume you know what the all the risks actually are, and in that case diversification is a good thing.