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Re: Tim Cook Says Apple Is Focusing on an Autonomous Car System by na85 on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @12:16PM (#14545904)
>But the way Tim is framing this, they're looking at it as an AI problem. He doesn't go into the feel of driving or the wonderfully bad user interfaces of current cars, he describes it as "the mother of all AI projects." So while this is "something that's never been in [their] wheelhouse", they're approaching it from the AI side. And AI, given WWDC, is something they are very much trying to make their wheelhouse.

I agree, but I think their approach is flawed. A car is more than an AI with wheels and a seat. Tons and tons of engineering expertise goes into making a roadworthy car, and even more goes into making a truly good car.

Apple quite simply does not have automotive engineering experience, and the jump from computers to iPhones pales in comparison to the jump from consumer electronics to automobiles.

Cook has never struck me as a man with a vision. I think this is just Keeping up with the Joneses.

Re: Tim Cook Says Apple Is Focusing on an Autonomous Car System by oddevan on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @12:51PM (#14546250)
> I agree, but I think their approach is flawed. A car is more than an AI with wheels and a seat. Tons and tons of engineering expertise goes into making a roadworthy car, and even more goes into making a truly good car. Apple quite simply does not have automotive engineering experience, and the jump from computers to iPhones pales in comparison to the jump from consumer electronics to automobiles.

I agree with you, and I think Cook and Apple do to! The article just says they're focusing on "an autonomous system." When asked if they were going to commit to a full automobile:

> "We’ll see where it takes us," Cook said. "We’re not really saying from a product point of view what we will do."

In other words, they're not making a car, just the AI for it.

Granted, Apple rarely makes 'components'; they make Products. It doesn't really jive with the Apple we know to make part of something without making the _whole_ thing. But I think these comments from Cook are telegraphing that they are--at least for right now--just making a component.

edit to clarify: Based on this and previous rumors, I think the "Apple Car" project (that totally existed, no joke!) has been refocused on the autonomous AI project. Cook and Mansfield realized that a car was big and complicated, and the market was inevitably moving toward self-driving cars. In realizing that without the self-driving component, they wouldn't have a car at all, they refocused the project to see if they could even build such a component. Once they have that, they'll go from there.

Re: Tim Cook Says Apple Is Focusing on an Autonomous Car System by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @03:50PM (#14548008)
It's a seductive argument, but how much of the AI R&D in an autonomous car would be 1: truly unique 2: transferrable to other projects?

It seems to me domestic/concierge/robotic/secure IoT AI is a much bigger and uncontested market.

What specifically does building an automotive AI give Apple that a more general robotics and/or concierge AI project doesn't?