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Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Monday June 12, 2017 @10:58PM (#14542603)
What makes you think that the cheerfulness is "inauthentic"?

Some people actually do genuinely like other people and enjoy helping them.

That you find it "inauthentic" may say more about you than it does about the service workers you're encountering.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by stevekemp on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @12:44AM (#14542897)
Enter a Disney shop, in many parts of the world and somebody will say "Hello, how are you?" Leave the shop and that same greeter will say "Have a great day!"

That always feels incredibly forced, and very very fake.

But what do I know, I'm British ..!

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @02:55AM (#14543266)
Disney stores are...ummm... not a representative sample. :-)
Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by stevekemp on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @03:22AM (#14543338)
Very much so, but its a good example of fakeness/insincerity that matches the topic.
Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @11:11AM (#14545342)
Maybe in the sense that Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany would be a good example of "European politics".

The OP was making a general observation about the United States as a whole. Picking an extreme example like Disney is a Hasty Generalization fallacy.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by stevekemp on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @12:47PM (#14546206)
I was trying to suggest that those stores, here in Europe, have greeters and those greeters are the very epitome of fakeness - which the parent was referring to.

I suspect the confusion comes because people assumed I meant Disney stores in the states.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by DanBC on Wednesday June 14, 2017 @10:07AM (#14552787)
> What makes you think that the cheerfulness is "inauthentic"?

The fact that workers are trained in cheerfulness, and are given a set of phrases they must say, and that they say these phrases all day everyday to every single person they meet makes me think the cheerfulness is inauthentic.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Friday June 16, 2017 @05:42AM (#14567665)
Being trained in cheerfulness doesn't make the cheerfulness "inauthentic" any more than being trained to make hamburgers makes the hamburger "inauthentic".

Good grief.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by sedachv on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @02:31AM (#14543196)
> That you find it "inauthentic" may say more about you than it does about the service workers you're encountering.

As would one's inability to understand eye contact and body language.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @02:54AM (#14543260)
Body language and eye contact protocols differ between cultures. A lot.

Have you considered the possibility that you are presenting yourself as what they see as rude and unfriendly, thus leading them to be uncomfortable while serving you?

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by sedachv on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @04:49AM (#14543596)
Have you considered the possibility that maybe it is you who is misunderstanding people? For example, my comment about eye contact and body language was actually an insult meant to imply that you lacked the ability to read either. On the other hand I usually have pleasant interactions with workers, and I also do not go around complaining when I receive less than enthusiastic service. One of the manners that helps in having pleasant interactions is avoiding giving strangers unsolicited advice, about their behavior or otherwise.
Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @11:14AM (#14545373)
"Have you considered the possibility that maybe it is you who is misunderstanding people?"

Well, we have two alternatives here:

1) A person who grew up in a culture has a gross misunderstanding of the norms of that culture.

2) Someone who grew up in a totally different culture has a gross misunderstanding of the norms of that culture.

Now, which of those two seems more likely to you?

"For example, my comment about eye contact and body language was actually an insult meant to imply that you lacked the ability to read either."

Oh, I got that. I was just attempting to be polite by ignoring you being a jerk. Maybe someone is forcing me to do "unpaid emotional labor" or something.

Once again: it's not them. It's you.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by sedachv on Tuesday June 13, 2017 @02:18PM (#14547187)
My original comment was to point out the cultural inappropriateness and onerousness of late stage capitalists' demands for emotional labor.

Your response was to suggest that it is actually my fault and that I am behaving inappropriately.

You see nothing insulting about that? You are the jerk here.

Re:Ask HN: How friendly is Berlin for startups? by Turing_Machine on Friday June 16, 2017 @05:38AM (#14567653)
You seem to be a very unpleasant person all around. Goodbye.