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Re:Apple Is Trying to Make iMessages More Private by petre on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:33PM (#14533381)
At least Wire doesn't refuse to start and works fine even if I refuse to allow it to read my contact list and the software was open sourced:

https://github.com/wireapp

Signal doesn't work without a phone number and it doesn't have a web app, otherwise it's great if you only use it on the phone.

Re:Apple Is Trying to Make iMessages More Private by CiPHPerCoder on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:53PM (#14533465)
Given that Signal was designed specifically for mobile users not desktop users, that's not a problem for its target audience.

Wire looks promising for desktop users.

Re:Apple Is Trying to Make iMessages More Private by cageface on Sunday June 11, 2017 @09:07PM (#14534680)
Signal does have a web app. I use it every day.
Re:Apple Is Trying to Make iMessages More Private by petre on Sunday June 11, 2017 @11:26PM (#14535062)
Signal Desktop is hardly a web app in the sense that you open a website and you're done. You need to use Chrome and you need your phone. It's probably more secure yet rather inconvenient.