Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin

Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by Viker on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:22AM (#14527223)

Who defines criminal behaviour? And why is criminal behaviour always placed on the little guy when companies can always get the leeway of claiming ignorance?

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by heisenbit on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:09AM (#14527375)

Verelox is certainly not a major player in this space - aren't they little guys?

How many little shops rely on Verelox - aren't they little guys?

How many end customers depend on services that depend on Verelox - you know someone like you - aren't they the little guys?

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by keithpeter on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:46AM (#14527510)

"Who defines criminal behaviour?"

The police/prosecuting agency in the country where the company is based I imagine. That appears to be Holland [1]

[1] https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/us.verelox.html

The fact that it was an ex-administrator does suggest foul play as opposed to a mistake compounded with poor backup processes. We shall have to see how the story pans out.

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by vsl on Sunday June 11, 2017 @02:21AM (#14530922)

Netherlands and no, the police doesn't define what is criminal - the PARLIAMENT, ie the law-creating body, does.

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by keithpeter on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:22AM (#14531068)

I should have been clearer: The police/prosecuting authorities will decide if the behaviour in this case was criminal and if there is enough evidence to bring charges under the law - the law(s) in question having been passed by Dutch Parliament. Thanks

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by cbsmith on Sunday June 11, 2017 @01:41AM (#14530802)

> Who defines criminal behaviour?

Sigh. I can't believe we're going there on this one. Just so we're clear, you think that maybe the definition of criminal behaviour shouldn't include wiping out systems without the owner's consent?

> And why is criminal behaviour always placed on the little guy when companies can always get the leeway of claiming ignorance?

I don't know what you are talking about. Criminal behaviour is placed on the criminal... and ignorance of the law is not a defense.

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by criddell on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:58AM (#14527321)

> Who defines criminal behavior?

We do.

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by passwordreset on Saturday June 10, 2017 @01:05PM (#14528097)

The hell you do.

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Re:Verelox Wiped by Ex-Admin by masukomi on Saturday June 10, 2017 @04:44PM (#14529119)

actually.. no. we do. We do it by proxy via our elected officials but our elected officials are supposed to follow the wishes of their constituents. They're the ones who create the laws that define criminal behavior. The courts use and refine those laws... but ultimately, yes the definition of criminal behavior is the result of the will of the populace.

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