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Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by bitJericho on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:47PM (#14524421)
In a taxi your ride was insured if the driver got in an accident. Your cabbie is certified, and less likely to be crazy. Also half your lyft/uber ride is paid by a VC.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by jseliger on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:50PM (#14524440)
less likely to be crazy.

Having taken many cabs and many rides via Uber, Lyft, and Juno, I'm not sure why you'd claim this. The drivers for ride-sharing services are far safer, saner, and more careful than cab drivers. The reason is not hard to ascertain: at the end of almost every trip drivers and riders rate each other.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by bdalgaard on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:21PM (#14524678)
I think there are similar related downsides that could be said about ride-sharing too. If we are giving anecdotal experience then I will say that ride-sharing drivers in Chicago are much more likely to blow through yellow/red lights or park in a cross-walk. The reason is not hard to ascertain: I can easily call 311 on a taxi as a pedestrian with the taxi number.

Personally, I see a lot of people happy killing all of the problems with taxis (particularly in Chicago) but I fear that we are "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". Taxis in Chicago have a ton of problems, but I still have concerns about ride-sharing too.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by techsupporter on Friday June 09, 2017 @06:31PM (#14525088)
Same problem in Seattle, especially with the complete disregard for lane use. Uber and Lyft drivers seem to think that "bus only" is secret code for "all TNC drivers stop here for passengers, especially at peak times."

My personal favorite is how hazard lights have morphed into "I can do whatever I want, just go around me by veering a car / this 60' bus into oncoming traffic."

One of these days I'm going to start spending one of my days off just standing at a random major intersection and emailing SDOT/SPD and posting on Twitter the license plate numbers of every Uber/Lyft driver behaving badly.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by weberc2 on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:20PM (#14524676)
This seems to match my experience.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by ClassyJacket on Friday June 09, 2017 @07:51PM (#14525422)
I feel much more secure in an Uber where I can rate and report the driver versus a taxi where they can basically do whatever they want.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by weberc2 on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:19PM (#14524671)
I keep hearing this, but I also keep hearing that Lyft and Uber drivers have to go through a background check. Why should I believe that taxi drivers are less likely to be crazy?
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by ams6110 on Friday June 09, 2017 @09:03PM (#14525655)
They are just running criminal history check. It's not a full investigation such as a government clearance involves.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by weberc2 on Friday June 09, 2017 @09:31PM (#14525726)
Granted, but presumably my taxi driver isn't privy to state secrets either.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by xigency on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:56PM (#14524502)
I think the VC money and lack of regulations is a huge issue.

What people don't realize is that once the taxi companies are dead, the ride sharing apps will be able to raise prices and lower quality. Not to mention the issues already seen with Uber and Lyft, whether at a corporate level or on a driver/passenger level.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by weberc2 on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:28PM (#14524726)
> What people don't realize is that once the taxi companies are dead, the ride sharing apps will be able to raise prices and lower quality.

The rideshare companies are still in competition with each other. The market will stabilize at a price necessarily lower than taxi price, which was artificially inflated by local governments. This doesn't seem like a valid concern.

> whether at a corporate level

Sounds like you're imply that Uber's corporate problems are fundamental to rideshare. Care to elaborate on that?

> or on a driver/passenger level.

Why should I be more afraid of scary driver/passenger stuff with rideshare than with taxis? Do you have some information to suggest that rideshare is actually more dangerous? This seems like fear mongering...

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by xigency on Saturday June 10, 2017 @01:26PM (#14528210)
At some point the VC money will run out, so yes the subsidies will collapse. And Uber is the McDonald's or Wal-Mart of ride sharing. When you see employees complain about Wal-Mart being fundamentally unethical, you will see not a damn thing change. That's one reason to care. Not necessarily a problem fundamental to ride sharing, but the ride sharing ecosystem may be toxic, and I don't see where repercussions would be.

Having $B of investment for an idea that is only a few degrees from "yo" (exaggeration) creates a hated company like Uber. What has Travis done to deserve money like that that a college student making a location aware app with a backend and insurance/financial pool couldn't do? It looks like a black mark on the tech investment engine to me. Only difference might be he's an ahole and they've been selling some moonshot idea.

I can tell you how bad the excessive funding situation is - my bank, Chase, has sent me offers through my credit card for free rides. A gigantic financial institution is providing millions of people with free rides. That is not an advantage that either a homebrew developer or a traditional taxi company have.

In terms of fear mongering, there have obviously been complaints from drivers and passengers alike. You need to consider those as well as true stories and urban legends of cab experiences. If you haven't heard anything bad ever, then you should be skeptical.

In Chicagoland, the number one complaint I have ever heard about cab rides is the price, and that is not an equal comparison to ride sharing apps (because of incredible subsidies, no licenses, taxes, regulations or fees).

When one company or field of companies eliminates another due to fair competition that can be healthy for the market, but when eliminations happen from unfair competition, that is harmful to the market. I never said taxis were great. I just think their extinction would be bad.

qed.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by weberc2 on Saturday June 10, 2017 @05:44PM (#14529353)
1. When the VC money runs out, timeshare will still beat taxis on price until something changes with the regulatory landscape, because a good chunk of each ride goes into meeting bad government regulations. 2. Its not meant to be an even playing field; that timeshare can outcompeted Taxis without any adverse social effect demonstrates the inefficiencies imposed on the industry by way of useless regulation.

3. I don't doubt there are bad rideshare stories. This doesn't mean ride share is somehow less safe than taxis, hence fear mongering.

5. Drivers seem to love ride share as far as I can tell, so the McDonalds/Walmart comparisons aren't apt, even if I was certain that Walmart and McDonalds are unethical companies.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by xigency on Saturday June 10, 2017 @11:10PM (#14530407)
Oh, people love Wal-Mart and McDonalds too, but they have huge negative externalities that are bad for their workers and the global food supply.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by incongruity on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:03PM (#14524554)
And cities are free to regulate the ride sharing operators or reduce taxi medallion and tax costs to let them come back. The government fees/licensing restrictions are the only significant barrier to entry in the industry. Fix those and Uber/Lyft have competition in days.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by xigency on Saturday June 10, 2017 @01:23PM (#14528195)
Funny you should say that. Austin attempted to do this but the Uber and Lyft lobbyists were able to prop up legislation at the state level. Hard to see that happening with a local taxi co.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by bitJericho on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:15PM (#14524643)
They do regulate. Uber/Lyft flout the regulations...
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by incongruity on Friday June 09, 2017 @08:37PM (#14525590)
Minimally in comparison to taxis - and some regulations are obeyed. A good example is the airport agreements in Chicago.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by xigency on Saturday June 10, 2017 @01:48PM (#14528298)
Well, Chicago is the city that works. But Uber is a bigger gang than the mob. Should that scare us?

Really, things seem less corrupt now than they did with Daley so maybe there aren't big payoffs by taxis, just laziness from them and the police.

Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by brianwawok on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:51PM (#14524450)
Not really. Fairly common for cabbies to share their cab with their twin brother who kinda looks the same, but has no insurance and no license.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by linkregister on Friday June 09, 2017 @04:55PM (#14524487)
The Uber/Lyft ride is ensured by the company; your driver might be screwed if they crashed on the way to pick you up, however.
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by bitJericho on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:15PM (#14524652)
You should probably read some news stories about that...
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by linkregister on Friday June 09, 2017 @05:34PM (#14524771)
Could you hyperlink one?
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by bitJericho on Friday June 09, 2017 @07:45PM (#14525399)
Re:Chicago taxi industry sliding towards collapse by linkregister on Monday June 12, 2017 @01:49PM (#14539272)
The paywalled article doesn't carry any information about the circumstances of the settlement.