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Re:Options vs. Cash by hinkley on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @10:52AM (#14506905)
Working at a startup as an employee with the expectation your gonna get rich is the game.

Think about the percentage of their investments that VCs expect will pay off. You could work for 15+ years at startups and never be at the successful one.

Re:Options vs. Cash by htormey on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @10:59AM (#14506968)
Startups say that but I think in many cases applicants go to startups because they can't get a job at a bigco that will pay them more. This especially true for new grads who didn't go to a shiny University.

Now this isn't a bad thing as one of the best reasons to go to a startup is to sharpen or learn new skills to become more employable. It's basically what I did till I could swap to a bigco.

Re:Options vs. Cash by alpha_squared on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @05:08PM (#14509898)
> ...applicants go to startups because they can't get a job at a bigco that will pay them more...

I can't speak for others, but I can certainly speak for myself and say that this isn't true. I had my internships at larger companies. Sure, they're not the big 5, but big enough that they're household names. I used them as resume boosters and now _prefer_ startups over large companies.

I was also fortunate enough to grow up without a lot of money, so my lifestyle is fairly affordable and I never had the luxuries that could be difficult to transition to a lifestyle without them. Because of that, and my interest in working on bleeding-edge-and-could-fail tech, I don't mind the risks that startups offer.

I'm confident enough in my skill set that I know I can go after many of those high paying jobs with at least a modicum level of success _somewhere_, but I like the challenges and pace of the startup space instead. I've even rejected offers that offered a larger salary in exchange for a lower salary at a more exciting (and even earlier stage) startup. Does that make me naive/crazy? I don't know, maybe. It's just what excites me more and the tradeoff is worth it for me.

Re:Options vs. Cash by htormey on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @05:27PM (#14510012)
I'd agree with a lot of what you said. The only thing I'd challenge is the implied notion that startups are inherently doing more cutting edge stuff than bigco's.

Right now I'm doing a lot of consulting/contracting at startups. Most of the companies I see on my travels are not really doing anything that falls into the category bleeding-edge-and-could-fail. Most are pretty boring and derivative. Especially compared to some of the stuff I saw worked on at Facebook.

I would argue that a lot of the cutting edge stuff that's being worked on these days is happening at bigco's (Google/Amazon/MSFT/Facebook).

Now their are some big exceptions to this but in general that's what I'm seeing while traveling around SV.

I would say that I prefer working with smaller companies for the sense of camaraderie and the relative lack of politics. That and the ability for my work to have a massive impact.

Re:Options vs. Cash by alpha_squared on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @08:12PM (#14510922)
> Most are pretty boring and derivative

This is also true, sorry for implying that all the work is some sort of bleeding edge.

Re:Options vs. Cash by iagreeentirely on Wednesday June 07, 2017 @02:14PM (#14508600)
I disagree. I've been part of multiple startups; Only with the first two did I actually expect to make more money than I would at BigCo. Not because the later startups were worse, but because I was less naive.

The reason that I joined those other startups -- and the reason that I more often work for startups than big companies -- is not about money. It's about pace of career development.

Everything on my resume that is interesting or exciting was done at a startup. Every big jump in skill and in compensation has been a result of that startup mentality. Who's fixing this? Me, I'm the only one here. Who's going to deal with the fallout of my poor architecture? Me, I'm the only one here. Who learned a hard lesson? Me.

I can only speak to the cogs side of the house (I'm devops or whatever they're calling us this week).