I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft

Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by jpcx01 on Monday June 21, 2010 @03:54PM (#1449841)

I smelled smoke 4 years ago and promptly evacuated (to rails). Rob Conery was always my favorite asp.net open source dev, I hope he's able to teach the Microsoft community what exactly they are missing.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by redstripe on Monday June 21, 2010 @04:10PM (#1449906)

That article taught me nothing about what I'm missing. Why write something like that and not fill it with examples? Show me what you can do in rails that is a pain in asp.net mvc.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by regularfry on Monday June 21, 2010 @04:21PM (#1449948)

This is an honest question, not snark: has ASP.Net MVC got anything like cucumber available to it out of the box? Or rubygems, for that matter?

I did suggest to Sara Ford at a MixUK conf a couple of years ago that a Visual Studio plugin that would search for and import projects from CodePlex straight into your project would be pretty awesome; I never followed up on it, and I've been out of Windows dev since then so I haven't heard if anything similar exists. I still think it would rock :-)

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by squidsoup on Monday June 21, 2010 @11:17PM (#1450813)

> has ASP.Net MVC got anything like cucumber available to it out of the box?

Cucumber isn't strictly speaking out of the box - it's dead easy to install of course, but it's not part of the rails core distribution. Rails still uses Test::Unit by default.

Specflow (http://www.specflow.org/) is a .Net oriented BDD framework that uses Gherkin - essentially Cucumber for .Net.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by robconery on Monday June 21, 2010 @05:03PM (#1450076)

The point of the article was more about explaining my talk - which does cover these things.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by malvosenior on Monday June 21, 2010 @04:34PM (#1449994)

One thing that's easier to do with Rails than .NET is get a job at a startup after your current job. No startup worth their salt is on the MS stack. I have a friend who's a good developer looking for work but has 5 years of .NET on his resume and is getting passed over time and time again at "hot" startups because you can't compete with people that have been keeping up with the latest tech (which usually means Rails, but even PHP is more marketable at this point).

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by loewenskind on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @05:51AM (#1451417)

What's the allure of getting a job at a startup? Founding, sure, but just working for one? Probably low pay, certainly long hours for a (small) chance at a decent payout at some future date?

If you want to make consistent good money it's in consulting for firms, and that's going to be almost exclusively C# and Java.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by pixelbath on Monday June 21, 2010 @04:25PM (#1449961)

It would be super-awesome if I could see the talk that he's referring to. As it is, this article is a bunch of chest-puffing about how he shouldn't have to apologize to a bunch of people that disagree with him.

The way I've viewed it is WebForms is what you learn when you're starting out, and when you want more advanced features that are built for websites people actually use, you use something more sane, like MVC.

In my experience, "vanilla" Asp.NET (with WebForms) makes a ton of assumptions on how it should be styled, based on...I'm not really sure. The Visual Studio project team's intranet or something. MVC is slightly better with CSS adapters and the like, and provides a more robust routing mechanism that we've used on a few sites.

Why is this a debate, other than being more platform religion?

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by robconery on Monday June 21, 2010 @05:05PM (#1450080)

Chest-puffing is when I loudly exclaim that I'M RIGHT AND YOU SUCK. The core of the article is explaining what my talk is about.

It's not a debate. The point is to ask Microsoft to stop being afraid.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by pragmatic on Monday June 21, 2010 @09:54PM (#1450661)

Afraid of what? What is you want them to do?

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by robconery on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @12:02AM (#1450893)

It would really help if you watched the video. As I've been saying, this post is in support of the video. I spent 45 minutes laying out all the details.

If you don't want to - that's great but you're comments have no context.

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Re:I Smell Smoke - Rob Conery on Microsoft by pixelbath on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @10:20AM (#1451934)

That's awesome; I'd love to watch the video. The 4 or 5 times I tried yesterday (in two different browsers), I got nothing. Just waiting on host.

I guessed that the post supported the video, but lacking a video, commented on the post instead.

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