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Re:A Study That Bolsters the Lead-Crime Hypothesis by anigbrowl on Monday June 05, 2017 @07:08PM (#14493127)
every single BLM member or supporter I've engaged in debate with

Please don't be offended by this, but perhaps your communication skills are at fault. While it may be tiring for you, people who are dealing with a lot of really difficult problems often need to vent some frustration and anger, both as stress relief and to qualify you (or not) as a sincere ally who won't fade when progress is difficult.

If you're in too much of a hurry to sell your solution, notwithstanding your good intentions, your interlocutors are likely to be a bit skeptical because they've heard many such presentations before only to be disappointed by the lack of follow-through.

Being right is not always as important as being receptive when you're trying to establish new structural relationships under difficult conditions, whatever those happen to be. I hope this can make your future communications more rewarding, even though it may require a greater initial investment of time and patience.

Re:A Study That Bolsters the Lead-Crime Hypothesis by malandrew on Monday June 05, 2017 @08:49PM (#14493816)
Enlighten me. How would you make the argument I'm trying to make?
Re:A Study That Bolsters the Lead-Crime Hypothesis by anigbrowl on Monday June 05, 2017 @09:35PM (#14494035)
Listen to what they want to tell you, and ask what they think about lead as an environmental and racial justice issue. It's not your responsibility to correct statistical misapprehensions they might have about the incidence of black crime or police use of force unless you are asked, there are plenty of people doing that already. If they're interested and and question your dataset, you can reply that you went with the most scientifically conservative statistics you could find and it's still a huge problem.
Re:A Study That Bolsters the Lead-Crime Hypothesis by malandrew on Tuesday June 06, 2017 @07:01PM (#14502230)
> It's not your responsibility to correct statistical misapprehensions they might have about the incidence of black crime or police use of force unless you are asked, there are plenty of people doing that already.

Whose responsibility is it? If someone is debating an issue I would hope they are familiar with and understand the underlying statistics relevant to their claims. If they claim conclusion X based on statistics Y but omit (intentionally or out of ignorance) that conclusion P is also plausible based on statistics Q, it is the responsibility of anyone aware of statistics Q to inform those claiming conclusion X that X isn't the only plausible conclusion one can arrive at because statistics Q exists that suggests conclusion P.

Are you seriously suggesting that someone aware of a different dataset that supports a different conclusion only bring attention to that dataset if those claiming the original conclusion are interested? That's preposterous.

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