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Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016) by mabbo on Sunday June 04, 2017 @01:13PM (#14482429)
> there is nowhere else within reach that is remotely similar to either planet

Now, hear me out here but have you considered Venus?

Cons:

  Runaway greenhouse effect, sulfuric acid clouds, crazy hot, etc
  Very long days (1 year = 1.92 Venus days)
Pros:

  Nearer to sun => better solar energy collection
  Nearly the same gravity as Earth (0.8-ish)
  Lower delta-v to get there from Earth (someone double check my math on that)
You'd need to get material built into a 'solar umbrella' to cool the planet down, reflect light elsewhere. One idea (Kim Stanley Robinson?) was too make mirrors that reflect light from the way-too-bright side and have it instead reach the 'dark for half a year' side.

Once you've got it cooled down, you're a lot of the way there. Bleed off some of that atmosphere (hey, maybe Mars could use it?), get some plants converting CO2 into O2.

It's ludicrous, I know, but I find most conversations about terraforming are. The only real advantage that Mars has is that we could live there while we work on it. Venus, not so much.

Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016) by jcranmer on Sunday June 04, 2017 @02:20PM (#14482735)
Actually, the upper atmosphere of Venus has about the right atmospheric pressure and ambient temperature for Earth. So building effectively cities on blimps means you only need to worry about the sulfuric acid--walking outside only requires a hazmat suit, not a full pressure suit.

It's not clear whether Venus or Mars is an easier target for colonization--that's just a sign of how hard it would be to build a colony on anything that's not Earth.

Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016) by mabbo on Sunday June 04, 2017 @09:20PM (#14484705)
> It's not clear whether Venus or Mars is an easier target for colonization

Actually, despite my above pro-Venus talk, Mars is still an easier option. I wound up on a wiki-spiral just now reading about options for Venus- turns out plants would not work for converting that CO2. The process for CO2 conversion needs Hydrogen- and Venus has none.

We'd need some kind of trade-triangle between Mars, Venus and Jupiter, dumping CO2 from Venus to Mars, then moving H from Jupiter to Venus. We need to find some product Mars has that Jupiter wants, then we'd have it figured out.

Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016) by RugnirViking on Monday June 05, 2017 @08:45AM (#14487175)
Mars has solid minerals, which I assume could be in short supply on any base near jupiter
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016) by hutzlibu on Monday June 05, 2017 @09:46AM (#14487528)
Jupizer has lots of moons ...
Re:The Argument Against Terraforming Mars (2016) by RugnirViking on Monday June 05, 2017 @12:20PM (#14488812)
While true, I was more thinking that there would be shortage of something between those moons. Maybe I'm mistaken