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Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by Retric on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:33AM (#14460563)
1/75,000,000 of our current emissions per device vs. not digging up coal and burning it for power. Which seems more reasonable to you?

This thing is not not really useful for climate change, instead it can provide CO2 gas we already concentrate for producing dry ice etc.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by goodcanadian on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:53AM (#14460739)
If we stopped all emissions instantly, temperatures would still continue to rise for decades due to the CO2 that is already in the atmosphere. We are going to need some kind of carbon capture technology especially considering that emissions are not likely to decline let alone stop any time soon.

Incidentally, it is my understanding that coal use is already declining rapidly. In many cases, it is being replaced by natural gas: certainly not ideal, but better.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by dbingham on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:21AM (#14461008)
We can achieve much of the carbon capture we need to by changing the way we do agriculture. Currently, our approach to agriculture - CAFO meat production, monocropping vast fields of corn, soy, and wheat - is a contributor to greenhouse gasses. It's eroding away the soil and the soil is one of the primary carbon stores. If we changed to relying more heavily on silvopasture and organic polycultures we could change it to act as a vast carbon capture mechanism.

Early studies suggest that diverse silvopasture can be just as productive as monocropped grain, but it means a major change in diets and the food production system world wide. It means less meat (but not no meat) and a diet focused more heavily on fruit and nuts rather than grains. This is a huge cultural shift and also a huge economic one, since much of the food industry is completely dependent on value added processed grains.

But if we start looking at how chesnuts, hazelnuts, walnuts, and acorns could be stored and processed into a greater variety of foods, then we can start the move towards agricultures that are just as productive and way healthier for the environment.

No-till, poly cropped grain production (corn, beans, and squash in the same field) can also act as a carbon sink, but it doesn't lend itself to mechanized harvest right now, so it would need to happen to a smaller degree.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by darawk on Thursday June 01, 2017 @12:48PM (#14461949)
> but it means a major change in diets and the food production system world wide.

Which basically means it's not going to happen. There are lots of ways to fix climate change that involve large scale changes to human behavior and habits. They're not viable because nobody is going to do them. The reason devices like this are valuable is that they promise to allow us to keep doing the things we're doing and stop or slow down climate change.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by goodcanadian on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:48AM (#14461307)
Personally, I'm a bit skeptical, not least because of the cultural and economic shifts required. However, we're at the point where all potential avenues should be explored, so . . . go for it if that's your thing.
Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by epistasis on Thursday June 01, 2017 @12:23PM (#14461658)
>We can achieve much of the carbon capture we need to by changing the way we do agriculture.

Based on your usage of "much" in this sentence and then detailed plans around crops, there must be some studies that quantify this to some degree. However, in my searching, I haven't found any such studies. Do you happen to have any favorites? Perhaps I need to dig into some of the IPCC references on land usage next.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by mandude on Thursday June 01, 2017 @11:00AM (#14460772)
Build 75,000,000 of them.
Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by nbarbettini on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:53AM (#14460736)
We ultimately need to do both: burn less fossil fuels, and capture or sequester CO2 from the atmosphere faster than the planet does naturally. Otherwise, what we keep adding will stay around for a long time.
Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by SilasX on Thursday June 01, 2017 @12:36PM (#14461818)
Do a one-off -- if expensive -- engineering project, vs get everyone in the world to change their energy infrastructure given the huge incentives to cheat.
Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by Retric on Thursday June 01, 2017 @01:35PM (#14462480)
These things take a massive amount of energy to run, so you would need to build the clean energy infrastructure anyway.

At a rough estimate it takes about as much energy to pull CO2 from the air as you get from burning it in the first place. So, your also mining coal, building a power plant to run an extractor for ~zero net gain.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by SilasX on Thursday June 01, 2017 @01:46PM (#14462602)
Not at all. Depending on how much CO2 it removes per unit energy expended, it may very well be feasible to power it with fossil fuels and still come out carbon negative -- we're just seeing the first iteration. (Thermodynamically, separating out CO2 is "cheaper" in terms of negentropy usage than combustion + mechanical energy extraction so the ratios are favorable.)

And even if not, and even if it only made sense with a clean-energy input, you would still only need to power that one engineering project's infra with the clean energy, which is much more feasible than replacing the entire world's infra.

A one-time giant solar array with CO2 condenser is still easier than all the infra swapout (which has its own CO2 costs) and international coordination necessary to end CO2 emissions.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by Retric on Thursday June 01, 2017 @01:50PM (#14462635)
it may very well be feasible citation needed.

Coal power plants which have much higher than normal CO2 concentrations in their smokestacks have looked into carbon capture and they can't pull it off without killing their power output.

Now, if we limit Fossil fuels to say Aircraft and Boats then we already solved the problem because their are a lot of natural and man made carbon sinks like your local dump. They are not enough simply because of the scale of fossil fuel usage.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by tertius on Thursday June 01, 2017 @10:40AM (#14460630)
What is reasonable is not what happens the majority of the time.

The economics tell us that we need to continue to burn things. At the same time collection will get better. Hopefully the one will go down and the other up. I for one am hopeful about this.

Re:Climeworks carbon dioxide capture device by a_imho on Thursday June 01, 2017 @12:36PM (#14461823)
Maybe they are coming from another angle, can it generate money?