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Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by dmix on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:45PM (#14457082)
People were saying the same thing about Twitter forever and turned out to be largely wrong. I have a feeling the company making billions of dollars in revenue has some smart people who figured out how not to mess this up.

But who knows maybe Uber will stop being the dominate taxi / self-driving car company globally over the next decade and mess it all up. Or not... but I doubt this large expenditure was done without foresight. The question is whether they can dominate for years to come in a high-growth industry, which it seems likely given the wide gap between them and the competition.

Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by mrep on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:50PM (#14457097)
> People were saying the same thing about Twitter forever and turned out to be largely wrong.

Twitter lost 456 million dollars in 2016 [1] and I don't remember them ever being profitable so i don't know how those people are wrong.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter

Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by pfarnsworth on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @10:16PM (#14457483)
If you look, their losses are because of stock-based comp, not because of spending. It's generally a GAAP loss, not a cash loss.
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by kgwgk on Thursday June 01, 2017 @12:15AM (#14457967)
That doesn't make it less real. The company is giving away shares and investors are diluted. That may be a good deal if the stock is overvalued, but probably investors do not share that view.
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by dx034 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @04:22AM (#14458730)
It still means that their owners won't see any of the money generated by the company. Before compensation, most companies are profitable. And in the end it doesn't matter to the shareholder if you pay stock compensation or cash.
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by beavisthegenius on Thursday June 01, 2017 @06:35AM (#14459194)
Not true. Stock compensation is dilutitive to existing shareholders putting future pressure on earnings per share and generally means you'll see a share buyback further reducing cash on balance sheet or increasing debt. Further, large blocks of lockup expirations cause selling pressure. Once talent sells stock compensation how do you then retain them? Do you grant more shares diluting existing shareholders further?
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by dx034 on Thursday June 01, 2017 @07:15AM (#14459351)
It is different for incentives but not for the actual outcome. Obviously you'd have to compare the same compensation levels, i.e. 100k in cash vs 100k in stocks (at payout).

For start ups it can turn out cheaper as the compensation will be lower in stocks if the company doesn't perform well. From a shareholder perspective it's compensation and shouldn't be treated differently. Excluding it from costs is dangerous as it gives the impression that it's optional costs when in reality, you need to pay the stock compensation to retain talent.

Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by jpatokal on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:51PM (#14457106)
Um, Twitter is still not making a profit and their 2017 business plan seems to consist primarily of layoffs.
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by kesselvon on Thursday June 01, 2017 @09:39AM (#14460105)
To be fair, they have like 4,000 employees. I don't understand how they need that many employees for a product that hasn't changed much since IPO
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by notyourwork on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:50PM (#14457099)
Are we talking about the same twitter? My understanding is they are not doing some well currently. Just because the doors are open for business doesn't mean said business is thriving.

Also, twitter is a platform that has exclusivity. Uber is easily replaceable with Lyft or a taxi service's app. Just because a friend is using Uber doesn't mean I have to. The same doesn't apply to twitter, the platform is the value. This is what kept and keeps twitter afloat, Uber on the other hand paved the way for a shift in the way we consume cars as a service.

Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by georgeecollins on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:54PM (#14457122)
Are you sure they were wrong about twitter? It still loses money. I am not saying that twitter isn't valuable, it just may have been overvalued. You certainly lost money if you bought stock in it five years ago.
Re:Uber Posts $708M Loss as Finance Head Leaves by gruez on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @08:54PM (#14457125)
>I have a feeling the company making billions of dollars in revenue has some smart people who figured out how not to mess this up.

see: enron