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Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by acchow on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:41PM (#14447423)
I don't really understand how damages claims work. Can someone shed some light? No company has made any money off self driving cars. Google/Waymo has definitely not. How can they demonstrate damages?
Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by tannhauser23 on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @03:26PM (#14447797)
Traditionally, damages in trade secret cases are calculated according to three metrics:

* Actual loss: the amount that the victim company lost in sales, customers, etc. because another company stole its trade secret. Here this is probably zero, since there are no self-driving cars in the market. (Although who knows, maybe Waymo lost partnership opportunities with large automakers to Uber)

* Reasonable royalties: hypothetically, if Uber licensed the allegedly stolen tech from Waymo, how much would they have paid?

* Unjust enrichment: benefit the Bad Guy got from the Bad Act(s), for example the amount of R&D that it didn't have to spend because it just shortcut the process.

Plus, in California, there's punitive damages available for twice the amount of damages. Which, if the facts are anything like what's alleged, Waymo will get.

The numbers add up fast.

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by perlgeek on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @03:26PM (#14447800)
If Waymo can indeed prove that the stolen IP was a major motivation for the Otto acquisition, then the monetary value of that acquisition is a lower bound for the value of the stolen IP. A lower bound, because when a company acquires another company, it expects an ROI > 1.

In the end, in a lawsuit like this, you must come up with an economic model that quantifies the damage, and must convince the judge (or jury, or whoever awards the damage claims) to accept it. So it's also a question of psychology. If you can show that an action was morally outrageous, you have a better chance to get awarded a higher damage claim.

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by DannyBee on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:51PM (#14447499)
It varies from claim to claim. There are multiple types of damages for multiple claim types. You'd have to be more specific :)

In general, "actual" damages are not the only thing in the world. If all you ever could get were "actual" damages, it would almost always be more efficient to breach contracts :)

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by hackunomatter on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:46PM (#14447454)
I think, basically, Uber will pay some $$$ to make the lawsuit go away and "license" Waymo's tech (which they already had, courtesy Mr. Lewandowski, but now will legally have it).
Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by bykovich2 on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @03:16PM (#14447708)
You don't think Google's out for blood? Didn't they announce a Waymo partnership with Lyft a couple of weeks ago?
Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by ianamartin on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @06:36PM (#14449119)
I agree. Google doesn't want a license agreement. As pointed out below, yes, there is investment, but I think Google/Alphabet is out for blood and the investment dollars will be recouped in the civil settlement if not the arbitration with Levandowski.

Either way, I don't think Google cares. They want to be first on the market. And based on how badly Uber has been flouting the law, I suspect Google gets there first no matter what. This just slows Uber down.

It won't matter though. Money will change hands. And that's about it. Google/Alphabet/Waymo/Lyft will be first to market in a pretty shitty way, followed by Uber. The tech world and early adopters will go nuts and in this case probably die in a fire. Then Apple and Tesla will come in with a far superior safety/user experience and take over.

None of this really matters at this point. It's a waiting game. This is what Apple always does and what Tesla has started doing: wait for the early entries in the market to do their thing, learn from their mistakes, and pwn the market later with better UX and marketing.

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by jacquesm on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @07:08PM (#14449302)
I don't think that's the whole story.

If Google would let it be known that you can take a bunch of IP and walk out the front door to a competitor that would be a very expensive signal.

So for them this is as much about this concrete case as it is about how Google will deal with situation where their IP grows legs.

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by euyyn on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @09:31PM (#14449889)
> Early adopters will [...] probably die in a fire. Then [...] Tesla will come in with a far superior safety [...] and take over.

Well, for the moment, the record is exactly the opposite of that prediction.

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by hackunomatter on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @04:57PM (#14448476)
Google owns a chunk of Uber, so I'm not sure they'd want to wipe out their investment?
Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by acchow on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:45PM (#14449744)
Yeah, doesn't Google have something like a 6.7% stake in Uber? Even with share diluation by half, at a $60bn valuation that's still $2bn. Do we really think Google can win much more than $2bn in this Waymo lawsuit?
Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by scott_karana on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @02:31AM (#14450743)
That valuation is predicated on Uber still being worth that much, if they end up guilty in criminal proceedings (for example).
Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by madamelic on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:50PM (#14447486)
(Months of how much of a headstart they had * monthly cost of licensing their tech after it is finished)

That is how I would calculate it...

Re:Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski by dboreham on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:46PM (#14447460)
With lawyers?