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Re:The state of JavaScript modules by ng12 on Monday May 29, 2017 @11:03AM (#14439429)
> Give me some sort of promise when you'll leave the standard alone, then I'll wait for the community to form best practices / libraries to catch up

I don't understand what's stopping you from doing that. There are many perfectly fine jQuery/Backbone/Angular/etc apps that are chugging along perfectly fine. There's no reason for you to adopt new technology unless it makes your life easier.

And therein lies the problem -- for a long time developing an SPA in JS was absolutely terrible. And it's getting better, and getting better due to efforts of people who love the language. Webpack didn't beat Gulp because Corporate Sponsor X adopted it, Webpack beat Gulp because some guy wrote it and it turned out to be awesome. To me that's worth more than upsetting the curmudgeons who complain about perceived fatigue.

Re:The state of JavaScript modules by ilugaslifk on Monday May 29, 2017 @11:21AM (#14439518)
> due to efforts of people who love the language

Extremely tangential, but does anybody actually love javascript? We've been in a captive situation with this deeply flawed hack for 20 years.

Once WebAssembly is mature enough to fulfill its promise, and after that once we've burned through the generation born into this JS captivity, is anyone going to want use it anymore?

Like, if it were magically possible to use anything else natively in the browser today, would the next big thing be another 10 million person-hours put into yet another angle on working around JS's flaws... or something in another less clunky language entirely, never to return?

Re:The state of JavaScript modules by ravenstine on Monday May 29, 2017 @12:56PM (#14440041)
> Extremely tangential, but does anybody actually love javascript?

I know that I do, and it's my language of choice. That's not to say that it wasn't deeply flawed for a long time, but now both the technology and standard practices have evolved to where I really enjoy writing it and using it.

Re:The state of JavaScript modules by jbergens on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @03:47AM (#14443563)
I've been more curious if anybody actually loves Java. Ok Java 8 seems to be fine but do people really love it? And did they also love Java 7?