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Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by mortenjorck on Friday June 18, 2010 @07:39PM (#1443802)
Yes, just like the dot com boom, this growth is unsustainable.

But again, just like the dot com boom, once the market has matured to blow away the chaff, what remains will have proven pretty game-changing.

Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by handelaar on Friday June 18, 2010 @10:03PM (#1443982)
The step in that process you left out was "years-long massive earthquake-level crash leading to complete economic collapse of the micro-economy under discussion", the kind where most of the casualties are all the smart non-founders in the industry.

Been there, done that.

The primary reason I'm involved in this community is that I was in London before the first crash. Us internet people had been there for a decade or more, but all the investment money was going to some twat in a suit who had no cocking idea what was going on, or why.

Outside the little Nirvana that pg and company (among others) have created, the same rules apply.

[All of the following may be completely Euro-specific.]

Talentless schmucks get all the money available because they're the {sons|nephews|mistresses|cabana boys} of other people with money, and then try to hire us to fill in the yawning chasms (they call them 'gaps') in their plans.

The only winning move is not to play. Do your own thing, but ferchrissakes don't start working for some family-moneyed fool because "appz R h0tt and we're all gonna get rich". If you're gonna take a risk, at least ensure that the risk beneficiary is you. The one major thing I've noticed in this little playground of ours is this: it's not that you are going to have trouble raising money - it's that you're going to have trouble raising money because you're going to get lost in the deafening noise of trustafarian morons with connections, and they're going to win that funding battle.

That is why we need to play out of revenues and/or do our thing on ramen money: it's because the other method is massively stacked against us, and massively stacked in favour of idiots.

Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by dman on Friday June 18, 2010 @10:28PM (#1444010)
Very well put.
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by mkramlich on Saturday June 19, 2010 @07:41PM (#1445512)
You speak much truth. And yet, you should not give in to hate. That way leads to the Dark Side.

-- posting for my friend Yoda who cannot reach the keyboard

Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by mikecane on Friday June 18, 2010 @08:07PM (#1443841)
I keep wondering why Jobs keeps pushing HTML5. He too must realize the unsustainability of it all. A collapse has to happen -- and then how many "real" apps will remain for sale? And how many devs will migrate to the web where they don't have to have the approval of Apple or Google or any other hardware maker in order to create and publicize/sell something?
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by derefr on Friday June 18, 2010 @11:36PM (#1444103)
Jobs never liked the idea of Apps in the first place (probably because he knew it was unsustainable); he was fully prepared to go with a pure-webapp strategy until developers revolted. He's probably trying to get back out of that market as quickly as possible.
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by carussell on Sunday June 20, 2010 @11:53AM (#1446640)
Is that the case? I thought it was more of an issue of the SDK and the APIs not being ready at the time that they wanted to launch.

I can't imagine that Jobs hates the notion of apps.

On the other hand, I don't understand why anyone involved with the Mac platform, where uniform interfaces are a big deal and microcriticism of widgets is so common, would ever champion the Web as a platform.

Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by jrockway on Saturday June 19, 2010 @08:24AM (#1444531)
Unsustainable, but 30% of every sale probably makes it worthwhile.
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by ptomato on Saturday June 19, 2010 @12:21PM (#1444852)
Doubtful. That's not really making Apple any (significant) profit when you look at their overhead for that.
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by cookiecaper on Friday June 18, 2010 @10:44PM (#1444030)
I don't see what this has to do with HTML5. Could you elaborate?
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by michaelneale on Friday June 18, 2010 @11:00PM (#1444050)
I think he means that HTML5 is a hedge against the coming collapse in the number and quality of native iOS apps from 3rd parties.
Re:IPhone =/= Debian app by borism on Saturday June 19, 2010 @06:35PM (#1445426)
"Number and quality"

What are you talking about? There can possibly be few millions more of useless apps?