Re:Accused of underpaying women, Google says it's too expens...
by mikeash on Sunday May 28, 2017 @02:50PM
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Why not just post that study and be done? I think you've missed the point of my comment, which is that making these vague economic arguments is completely pointless. They tell us nothing about what's actually happening. If you want to point out that the wage gap isn't very big then say it's been measured and isn't very big.
I don't mind that you're strident about it, I mind that you're strident about pushing a bad argument.
http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/gender-pay-gap
What do we make of this statement, buried somewhat deep in the article (I would have made this the first line of the post):
"Nationally, when we control for job title, job level and other important influencers of wages (like years of work experience), women still only make 98 cents for every dollar earned by men."
I've seen similar from other studies, including a Harvard study that gets cited often.
I'm strident because I 100% think this is a political issue. It's gender politics. It's perhaps a lot of things. If the issue doesn't exist (certainly to the extent of "77% gap oh my!"), why do so many people get caught up in proclaiming the issue is a crisis?
I think it is a purposefully divisive issue who's propagation has serious consequences for women who are instilled with the idea they are being actively discriminated against, and who are lectured constantly that the only way they can be respected in modern society is by joining the workforce and being equally as career minded as the average ambitious man.
This social advocacy is perfectly fine. People can have a position on what they think the ideal role of women or men or whoever in society is. But be honest about it. And be tolerant of other viewpoints (namely, that perhaps many women would be happier at home, and those who otherwise would not be highly motivated to move up the corporate ladder shouldn't be shamed into having to do so.)
And damnit, be explicit about what you mean by "gap". Equal job, equal experience, equal "apples to apples" the gap is 2%.
If you don't see the obvious fact that people not explicitly stating the actual gap instead of disingenuously fooling people into believing it is 23%, then you won't understand why I'm strident about the issue. Those pushing it are without question strident about it, are they not?