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Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by jacquesm on Friday May 26, 2017 @05:59PM (#14427514)
I'd bet on this being an ASIC, doing this on an FPGA with any serious size matrix would require a very expensive FPGA, whereas an ASIC would allow more gates in a smaller volume and would consume less power to boot.

From the manufacturers point of view phones not being future proof is a feature, not a bug, that way you'll upgrade to that new shiny item which will keep the profits rolling in.

Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by wklauss on Friday May 26, 2017 @07:10PM (#14427859)
> From the manufacturers point of view phones not being future proof is a feature, not a bug, that way you'll upgrade to that new shiny item which will keep the profits rolling in.

I don't think a better AI chip will be a convincing argument to change a phone one year later.

Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by RandomBK on Friday May 26, 2017 @07:14PM (#14427879)
Not if you put it that way. Apple can simply make new AI features exclusive to newer phones with updated versions of the chips. If they open the chip up to developers, this effect can spill out to the app store. That would then provide the impetus to push consumers to upgrade.
Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by LrnByTeach on Saturday May 27, 2017 @12:08AM (#14428882)
You nailed the Apple plan, they did exact same thing staring from Introduction of Siri (4S?), ... then Force Touch etc.

With each iteration of phone, they add a shiny new feature that is ONLY available on the newer model.

Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by savoytruffle on Saturday May 27, 2017 @03:33AM (#14429282)
Siri was only available on new iPhones from then on, but it's now available on regular Macintoshes going back like 7-8 years.
Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by moonforeshot on Saturday May 27, 2017 @04:14AM (#14429354)
i don't see how force touch can be added to older hardwares...
Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by ferbivore on Saturday May 27, 2017 @07:19AM (#14429691)
It can't be. Night Shift, on the other hand...
Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday May 26, 2017 @10:58PM (#14428714)
I think you underestimate the power of marketing.
Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by _pmf_ on Saturday May 27, 2017 @04:55AM (#14429426)
> I think you underestimate the power of marketing.

With Steve Jobs gone, Apple is more and more seen as the emperor without clothes[0] that it is.

[0] I.e. yet another rebrander of Chinese goods with marginal differences from other franchises

Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by nickpsecurity on Saturday May 27, 2017 @11:33AM (#14430499)
"I'd bet on this being an ASIC"

Aren't all the iPhone chips ASIC's with the main one custom by those hardware people they acquired? Seems to be default expectation for whatever they add next. They sure as hell have the money, too. :)

Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by bitmapbrother on Friday May 26, 2017 @10:59PM (#14428716)
I don't think so. I believe Apple is basically going to do what Google and Qualcomm do and use a DSP's.
Re:Apple Is Working on a Dedicated Chip to Power AI on Devices by jacquesm on Saturday May 27, 2017 @05:57AM (#14429546)
'A DSP's'? (sic)

DSPs are not nearly as good at matrix math as a GPU and the phone already has one of those. DSPs are typically good at signal processing in a fairly limited domain, they would not be calling it an AI chip if it was just a DSP.