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Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by RiderOfGiraffes on Friday June 18, 2010 @04:48AM (#1441689)
He says that there are two forms of "R", one as in "red" and the other as in "car". I've been sitting here reciting these to myself over and over, and I can't hear a difference. Neither can my wife, who has a degree in linguistics and speaks English and French fluently.

Can someone explain the difference?

Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by carey on Friday June 18, 2010 @05:00AM (#1441708)
Just guessing, but in non-rhotic accents like RP and New Zealand English, the R in car is not pronounced unless the following word begins with a vowel. Any other ideas, maybe from an American English speaker?
Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by jergosh on Friday June 18, 2010 @04:54AM (#1441699)
Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by njm on Friday June 18, 2010 @11:29AM (#1442485)
For most American dialects, the sounds are nearly identical, but not quite: at the beginning of a syllable, the "r" is an approximant (a type of consonant that starts with an emphasized vowel sound), rather like "y" or "w", whereas at the end it is a true vowel, again like "ee" or "oo" respectively.
Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by pbhjpbhj on Friday June 18, 2010 @05:00AM (#1441709)
I'm a native en-gb speaker: I'd say the R in red is hard (ruh! like huh!) and the one in car is soft (aspirated; "ar") but I don't know IPA so couldn't really give you any more than this.
Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by Rhapso on Friday June 18, 2010 @06:38AM (#1441832)
Reh-ed and ca-arrrr//the first is a soft sound, the second says itself.
Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by stevoski on Friday June 18, 2010 @06:26AM (#1441818)
With my New Zealand accent, no matter how hard I try I can't make the "R" in red and car the same! Car for me is pronounced something like "Kah".
Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by carey on Friday June 18, 2010 @06:44AM (#1441835)
In New Zealand English, you should be comparing the pronunciation of R in “red” and “car audio”, to ensure that the R is actually pronounced at all. Some accents don’t even pronounce it in the latter. (There’s a good one for the spelling reformers.)

And be careful with “ah”. I have a strong suspicion that we pronounce it very differently in New Zealand compared to North America.

Re:Simple guide to writing Elvish by hugh3 on Friday June 18, 2010 @09:06AM (#1442048)
With my Australian accent I wouldn't pronounce an "r" sound in "car audio" either -- just switch straight from the "ahhh" sound of "car" to the "orrrr" sound of "audio".

Speaking of which, it wasn't until quite recently that I realised not all accents have so much trouble with the ambiguity of the Ford Ka.