Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says
by Apes on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @08:07PM
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Where did you get this info? Every source I see shows China's Debt/GDP (42.90%) as much lower than the US (104.17%).
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Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says
by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @08:16PM
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China's total debt is about 250% of GDP, compared to over 300% for the United States [1]. It's more useful to observe total debt since lots of debt the Chinese government will ultimately have to assume, in one form (e.g. financially) or another (e.g. political turmoil), is not held on the government balance sheet, e.g. debt issued by its banks or critical employers or regional governments. Most American debt, on the other hand, is issued by relatively-well regulated banks and by the federal government.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/16/chinas-debt...
Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says
by fspeech on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @11:55PM
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The 43% number already includes provincial government debt. Direct debt of the central government is about 20%. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_...
Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says
by Analemma_ on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @08:16PM
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The parent is talking about total debt - public, household, and corporate. China's public debt isn't too much but the corporate debt is what has skyrocketed. Many analysts treat Chinese corporate debt as more-or-less equivalent to public debt (and don't do this for the United States), on the assumption that the government will bail out SOEs rather than allow them to fail and create widespread unemployment. That may or may not be true, but that's why they make statements like "China's debt is twice the United States'".
Re:China Can’t Sustain Its Debt-Fueled Binge, Moody’s Says
by cinquemb on Thursday May 25, 2017 @04:33AM
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>Many analysts treat Chinese corporate debt as more-or-less equivalent to public debt (and don't do this for the United States), on the assumption that the government will bail out SOEs rather than allow them to fail and create widespread unemployment
I'd say this certainly gives a lot of political leeway in China, compared to having the opposite in place. I wonder if all the major US companies that were bailed out, that their debt should be considered public debt seeing there is already a precedent in place. But something tells me I doubt moodys will have a word on that.