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Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday June 17, 2010 @05:04PM (#1440341)
Right; but unfortunately one is a proper subset of the other.
Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by donw on Thursday June 17, 2010 @08:41PM (#1440911)
Bullshit.

Most pedophiles identify as straight, not gay, and are more often than not married men. So, if anything, the Boy Scouts are exposing these kids to a higher likelihood of being molested than they would if they allowed openly gay scout leaders.

Read that again. Even though the act of pedophilia in this context is one of male-on-male sex, the pedophile would claim that they are straight. Whether or not that's their real sexual orientation is immaterial.

The point being, that men who have already come out of the closet about being gay are far, far less likely to be child molesters than, well, say, homophobes that troll internet message boards.

Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by JoeAltmaier on Friday June 18, 2010 @11:49AM (#1442561)
Well said. Repression may have something to do with it. Its sad, and probably somewhat due to the vicious cycle of demonizing homosexuals which causes some to act out.

I apologize for my careless remark. I volunteer in a boys club, and from that viewpoint pedophilia (against boys) is by definition homosexuality.

But I agree completely, in the population at large its orthogonal. Again I apologize for a hasty remark.

Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by hugh3 on Thursday June 17, 2010 @05:22PM (#1440396)
Uhh, no it isn't?
Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by earl on Thursday June 17, 2010 @05:34PM (#1440429)
I'd like to think you're not stupid and homophobic, but your posts keep undermining that. There are pedophiles that rape girls, and there are pedophiles that don't discriminate between the sexes.
Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by mkramlich on Thursday June 17, 2010 @05:49PM (#1440486)
And some so-called pedophiles are also gay. So?
Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by rortian on Thursday June 17, 2010 @06:00PM (#1440534)
I guess you don't understand proper subset. He was implying that all pedophiles are gay (or that all gay people are pedophiles which I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't saying that).
Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by mkramlich on Thursday June 17, 2010 @06:27PM (#1440636)
Me and understanding 'subset' go back at least 30 years.

And my comment was related to earl's 2nd sentence. The one right before my reply.

My point, which was possibly lost, is that engaging in sexual behavior with a minor does not preclude homosexuality. It is merely orthogonal to it.

I pick my words carefully. Not every reader does as much, and sometimes this happens.

Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by hugh3 on Thursday June 17, 2010 @07:46PM (#1440818)
And my comment was related to earl's 2nd sentence. The one right before my reply.

And Earl's second sentence, read properly, also points out that paedophilia is orthogonal to homosexuality. He was proving that A is not a proper subset of B by pointing out the elements of A which are not in B. I assume he didn't bother to mention the elements of A which are in B because they're not relevant to the proof at hand.

I pick my words carefully. Not every reader does as much, and sometimes this happens

Perhaps you're carefully picking which words you read instead of carefully picking which words you write.

Re:Mike Replies To A Slightly Offended, Not Very Enthusiasti... by mkramlich on Thursday June 17, 2010 @10:23PM (#1441117)
I know what earl said. I understand everything everyone has said in this thread so far. Thank you for attempting to clarify that for me though.