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Re:New Surface Pro by tracker1 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @10:14AM (#14401321)
But, depending on your workload, fast enough may well be... laptop i5/i7 are pretty fast, again depending on workload... if I'm trying to simulate a tech stack, with modest data loaded, I'm the only user, so it's plenty fast, but memory can become constrained pretty quickly...

Windows overhead, Visual Studio, Linux VMs, multiple docker containers, local dynamodb, sql database, queues, etc. If you're developing locally against a workflow with a few VMs in the mix, 16gb can be an incredible constraint. I'm not trying to simulate hundreds of users, just one across a stack.

Re:New Surface Pro by kayoone on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @10:58AM (#14401759)
But that is probably not the usecase most people who will buy a Surface Pro for. It's a very portable device and 32GB would consume more power and probably be only bought by a very small amount of users.
Re:New Surface Pro by tracker1 on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @11:14AM (#14401904)
Not sure... "PRO" should probably be a label for "PRO" versions of something, and 16GB should probably be a minimum in that case. Lots of people doing heavy image work or video may be better served by more than that as well. Which is well within that segment.
Re:New Surface Pro by kayoone on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @11:29AM (#14402056)
Thats a matter of definition. Surface Pro originally was to distinguish against the Surface RT, where it made sense. Same goes for iPad Pro which is clearly not meant in the same way you are suggesting, Macbook Pro is the same. The PRO label is meant to distinguish them against their own lower tier products. Imo the demand for 32GB RAM Laptops is pretty limited right now, which is why you usually find that in workstation laptops only. I don't know any 13" Ultrabook with 32GB to be honest.
Re:New Surface Pro by dawnerd on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @11:53AM (#14402250)
Maybe it's limited because companies are only putting it in workstation class laptops instead of giving consumers a choice.
Re:New Surface Pro by mgkimsal on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:03PM (#14403563)
bingo.

the demand for 32g in a laptop was greater than the demand for a touchbar, I can tell you that.

Re:New Surface Pro by tracker1 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @06:03PM (#14420511)
The issue for that is kind of like the "faster horses" vs cars. In this case, however the touchbar was a half-baked interface in trade for the lack of full touch.
Re:New Surface Pro by lilactown on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:24PM (#14402576)
I think that the users who DO have that usecase (like the OP) are clamoring for a machine that is more portable. The same debate raged when the MBP was released; people want a powerful, sleek and portable workhorse that they can use for longer than 2 hours, and no one is delivering right now.
Re:New Surface Pro by kayoone on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @02:04PM (#14403573)
Maybe because its not easy todo with current technology ? Size, heat and power consumption all have to be balanced carefully, so you can not just stuff an i7 quad core with 32GB RAM in a tiny package and expect it to be great. Compromises have to be made. I think it's incredible what kind of processing power we can have in small packages today and it will of course move forward, but for some people it's never quick enough i guess.
Re:New Surface Pro by tracker1 on Thursday May 25, 2017 @05:28PM (#14420274)
How much more heat/power would 32gb vs 16b use/generate... okay, so I get 12.5 hours instead of 13... As long as it's more than 8.5 hours battery life under modest load. The RAM is very far from a big consumer of electricity in a laptop.. the screen and cpu are MUCH more of an issue there, likewise in terms of heat.