Re:Ask HN: Is it now common to ask for “full” applications a...
by WorldMaker on Monday May 22, 2017 @06:10PM
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If a degree isn't sufficient, then what is sufficient?
A Lawyer needs to pass a BAR exam in the state in which they expect to work, then maintain that certification (annual training requirements, etc).
Software throws around the term "engineer" a bit willy nilly, but if you look to other engineering disciplines there is a distinct certification meaning to Engineer as a title:
1. You have graduated with an ABET-accredited degree
2. You have passed the NCEES Fundamentals of Engineering exam
3. You have apprenticed for the necessary Engineer-In-Training period
4. You have passed your discipline's NCEES Professional Engineer exam
5. You maintain your Professional Engineer certification (annual training requirements, etc)
That certainly sounds like a good baseline. NCEES has a Software Engineering Professional Engineering exam today and can certify Professional Engineers in Software. If I never again had to do another whiteboard interview or take home programming assignment, I'd start working on my PE tomorrow.
What stops the Software Industry from recognizing distinctions such as a accredited degrees and PE certifications?
The software industry doesn't want to stop talented software developers from entering the market without a need for degrees and certifications, because that drives down labor costs. But that doesn't have to stop the industry from at least acknowledging the existence of degreed and/or certified engineers and eliminating some of the BS.
A Lawyer needs to pass a BAR exam in the state in which they expect to work, then maintain that certification (annual training requirements, etc).
Software throws around the term "engineer" a bit willy nilly, but if you look to other engineering disciplines there is a distinct certification meaning to Engineer as a title:
1. You have graduated with an ABET-accredited degree
2. You have passed the NCEES Fundamentals of Engineering exam
3. You have apprenticed for the necessary Engineer-In-Training period
4. You have passed your discipline's NCEES Professional Engineer exam
5. You maintain your Professional Engineer certification (annual training requirements, etc)
That certainly sounds like a good baseline. NCEES has a Software Engineering Professional Engineering exam today and can certify Professional Engineers in Software. If I never again had to do another whiteboard interview or take home programming assignment, I'd start working on my PE tomorrow.
What stops the Software Industry from recognizing distinctions such as a accredited degrees and PE certifications?
The software industry doesn't want to stop talented software developers from entering the market without a need for degrees and certifications, because that drives down labor costs. But that doesn't have to stop the industry from at least acknowledging the existence of degreed and/or certified engineers and eliminating some of the BS.