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Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by Retric on Monday May 22, 2017 @08:28AM (#14392974)
What your remembering from the 70's was actually happening then. In Florida 50 square miles of wetlands were disappearing each year. Thing was it was caused by erosion and frankly we changed how water flowed across much of Florida and rearranged a lot of the coast to keep it from happening.

But, this is not just limited to Florida. We now do a lot to keep coastline looking like you're used to. The barrier islands around North and South Carolina are largely man made structures at this point.

However, beach houses are built on stilts and you can keep moving sand so it's not that noticeable. But, the larger context of what's going on is flooding keeps getting worse. NYC for example was underwater in a recent storm doing a lot of damage and largely shutting down the city. Such events are going to become more regular as it goes form Massive storm surge, to normal storm surge, to unusual high tides, to regular high tides. But, NYC is on bedrock so they can use dikes and keep things ok. Other areas like Miami with different geology can't use the same approach.

PS: Also, don't forget, Chicago Was Raised Over Four Feet in the 19th Century. So, if you’re willing to spend a lot of money we can keep building in swamps.

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by SimbaOnSteroids on Monday May 22, 2017 @09:32AM (#14393397)
Miami has been investing heavily in water pumping systems because they experience 'sunny day' flooding as a result of sea level rise and high tides. It will buy them some time but eventually they're going to either have to abandon ship or go full Venice.
Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by aaroninsf on Monday May 22, 2017 @01:41PM (#14395493)
I continue to be confounded by the real estate bubble in Miami for this reason. They can adopt whatever euphemisms they like; what they are experiencing is now sea level rise as a result of climate change. The trend towards inundation is clear and accelerating.

Why then would you invest at Bay Area-level prices for a condo in a building which cannot keep its lobby dry, already?

The entire Gulf is based on porous limestone bedrock which makes sea walls completely untenable as a solution. Water will find a way in.

QED absent some truly miraculous black swan technological advance, Miami etc. are literally doomed to drown.

WTH are people thinking?

The only thing I can come up with is that it's a temporary parking place for foreign money banked at a loss if necessary to exfiltrate it into the US. :P

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by Arizhel on Monday May 22, 2017 @03:24PM (#14396234)
>what they are experiencing is now sea level rise as a result of climate change. The trend towards inundation is clear and accelerating.

>Why then would you invest at Bay Area-level prices for a condo in a building which cannot keep its lobby dry, already?

>WTH are people thinking?

Because the people of Miami simply don't believe you and don't believe that there's any climate change happening. And it's now the official position of the US government that there's no climate change.

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by SimbaOnSteroids on Monday May 22, 2017 @04:25PM (#14396639)
A lot of them also don't plan on living long enough to see the seeds bear fruit though or they're knowingly buying property that they know is on a bubble but also know that they don't plan on holding the property long enough to see the bubble burst.
Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by Balgair on Monday May 22, 2017 @11:16AM (#14394251)
Honestly, that would be pretty cool to see. Like, yeah, the path there is not 'fun', but a Venician Miami would be really cool if we could just snap our fingers and be at the end point.
Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by oAlbe on Friday May 26, 2017 @07:04AM (#14423197)
Foreigners have a really distorted idea of Venice.

The whole city suffers from high tides to the point where they have a different electrical system compared to the rest of Italy. San Marco square is usually under knee-high water; a problem to which solution they spent €6B, but that didn't work out almost at all. Add the fact that the whole place smells like a sewer most of the time, and you have a better picture of what it is like.

It might be a cool place for a 1 or 2 day visit, but definitely not a nice place to live.

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by mirimir on Monday May 22, 2017 @08:38AM (#14393037)
Yeah, Florida is mostly porous limestone and old coral. Dikes are useless, because water leaks underneath.
Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by curiousgeorgio on Monday May 22, 2017 @10:39AM (#14393923)
> Thing was it was caused by erosion

So, was it sea level rising or not? You gave some examples of the effects of storms and erosion (which are not new, even in geological time), but didn't actually address the concerns of the person you were replying to.

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by Retric on Monday May 22, 2017 @12:37PM (#14394968)
The 70's example was from erosion and was simply a false equivalency with sea level rise. On the other hand coastal erosion is also made worse by sea level rise.

So, I continued by mentioning barrier islands / coastal cities and what's happening to them.

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by curiousgeorgio on Tuesday May 23, 2017 @12:00PM (#14402316)
> So, I continued by mentioning barrier islands / coastal cities and what's happening to them

Exactly, but you failed to mention how "what's happening to them" is in any way related to sea level rise. You made the claim that "flooding keeps getting worse" and "Such events are going to become more regular" but didn't actually back up those claims. Instead, you seem to imply that sea level rise is responsible for some recent observations, despite the fact that even the most extreme projections of sea level rise couldn't possibly be responsible for the flooding you mention (in your own words, those events were the result of "storm surge" activity).

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by Retric on Wednesday May 24, 2017 @12:02PM (#14411014)
Even 1cm of sea level rise makes the problem worse. That does not mean on it's own it's the only cause, just that without sea level rise NYC would have received slightly less than 19 billion in damages. I am not saying that's 10B or 18.999B, but the point is not the scale of the difference just which side sea level rise sit's on.

Further, going from 1cm to 2cm or 20cm to 21cm of rise again makes the problem worse. The point is you don't wake up one day and the worlds on fire, just spend slightly more on reconstruction year after year.

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by rmah on Monday May 22, 2017 @11:15AM (#14394245)
NYC for example was underwater in a recent storm doing a lot of damage and largely shutting down the city

NYC was not underwater. A small part along the rivers got flooded due to poor drainage and river water water backflooding the sewer system. That is, water went into the sewers from the rivers and then got pushed up. The water then settled into low areas (basements and such), causing lots of damage.

At no time was any part of NYC "underwater".

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by dankohn1 on Monday May 22, 2017 @12:12PM (#14394751)
This [0] is my kids' elementary school and the ballfields they play in, during Superstorm Sandy, and I assure you that it was very much underwater. Interestingly, the water came north up West Street, not east from the Hudson, but it's hard to see how that matters.

The expected sea level rise this century does not (most likely) put NYC underwater at high tide, but it does whenever there is a storm surge associated with high tide [1]. Sandy alone cost NYC at least $19 B [2].

[0] http://www.tribecatrib.com/sites/default/files/images/Ball%2... [1] http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/10/sandy-anniver... [2] https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121126/new-york-city/bloo...

Re:Antarctica’s potential collapse could damage coastal citi... by wheelerwj on Monday May 22, 2017 @11:21AM (#14394294)
> the sewers from the rivers and then got pushed up. The water then settled into low areas (basements and such), causing lots of damage.