Re:America’s Cars Are Getting Faster and More Efficient
by valuearb on Friday May 19, 2017 @01:30PM
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Yes, people in Italy are poor and trapped in small urban areas unable to leave. That's not better.
Re:America’s Cars Are Getting Faster and More Efficient
by dashundchen on Friday May 19, 2017 @02:40PM
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Have you been to Italy? or Germany or any western European county?
Even relatively podunk towns have typically walkable centers and local transit connecting to frequent regional train service and sometimes stops by long distance, high-speed services.
In Germany, regional all day rail passes can be had for as little as 10 EUR! I imagine the situation is quite similar in Italy.
Re:America’s Cars Are Getting Faster and More Efficient
by ericd on Friday May 19, 2017 @05:18PM
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Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. They make less on average, but the trains are ubiquitous and can take you from city center to city center in less time and for less money than it would cost to drive, even at US gas prices. They're not "trapped", Europeans travel far more than Americans.
Also, forcing cities to accommodate cars via zoning has lead to a huge host of problems, from making centers that are no longer walkable, and destroying the social fabric of the city that used to happen via face to face interactions. Anywhere there is fast traffic, people no longer want to walk, because it's incredibly stressful being near speeding cars.
If you want a visible demonstration of the difference, visit some small pre-car cities in Italy, the public places are wonderful, and you can see people bumping into each other and chatting all the time. People walk everywhere. Compare with the sprawling wastelands of asphalt we've created, including on some of the most expensive parking lots in the world in Silicon Valley.