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Re:US Household Debt Surpasses 2008 High by caseysoftware on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @07:45PM (#14363806)
We've had 30 (40?) years of educators looking down on blue collar jobs and gearing everything towards pushing everyone to university because it's a golden ticket to a successful life. What most people didn't realize is that university was an attribute of successful people, not a prerequisite to be successful.*

People who might have been totally successful in vocational school or a variety of other things have been directed towards college they can't afford, they struggle in, and come out with exactly zero new opportunities open to them but now $100k+ in the hole.

* In most fields.. some fields absolutely require a college education.. for now.

Re:US Household Debt Surpasses 2008 High by skewart on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:18PM (#14363953)
This. The idea that college somehow intrinsically causes you to earn more money is completely wrong and absurd. It completely conflates causation and correlation. Yet it's frequently trotted out as a justification for taking on student loan debt (as it was in this article).

It's exactly the same as saying that people who own Ferraris make more money, so therefore the key to reducing poverty is increasing Ferrari ownership. And of course it's reasonable to take on hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to buy that Ferrari because owning one will help you make more money.

As absurd as the Ferrari ownership push is, at a certain point, once enough people own them it does start to make sense for any given individual. I mean, who's going to hire the one weirdo who doesn't own a Ferrari?

Education arguably has a lot more intrinsic value than a luxury sports car. But a degree from an accredited institution is not the same as education.

Re:US Household Debt Surpasses 2008 High by Eiriksmal on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:31PM (#14364018)
This Ferrari point is especially apt because many of the commenters here are stating that no, their college professors and lecture experiences weren't better than YouTube offers, but look at all the great people I met and interacted with!

This perfectly fits your Ferrari fallacy: When you own a Ferrari, you're part of a highly-exclusive social club. "Well... No, my Ferrari didn't actually earn me more money, per se, but it let me hobnob with so-and-so, and look at me now! Totally worth the crippling debt!"

Re:US Household Debt Surpasses 2008 High by runako on Thursday May 18, 2017 @09:05AM (#14366832)
This is obviously true in the abstract, but there literally are lots of well-paid jobs that simply will not consider applicants without degrees from 4-year accredited institutions. Given that reality: yes, having a degree will increase your probability of earning more over your lifetime.