All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil and auto ‘death spiral’

Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by RijilV on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:28PM (#14360040)

"NoDak" is a bad example - that state is fairly well off and organized. Years ago they got it their head that having 100% cell coverage was a good idea so they did it. New federal recommendations for shoulder width so they went and redid their roads. The /tiny/ ILEC that serves my family farm years ago ripped out all of their copper and only runs fiber.

If someone got it in their head that non-gas cars were what they should be doing in North Dakota, it would happen.

I think poorer states with more conflicted interest would have a harder time.

(Sorry for the OT NoDak rant)

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by HillaryBriss on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:39PM (#14360158)

Doesn't NoDak, a state with a relatively small population, get a large percentage of its cash from oil revenues?

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by protomyth on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:58PM (#14360353)

To a point, but a lot of it goes in the future fund. North Dakota is still a farming state and #1 honey producer of the USA. Oil will probably last quite a while given the costs keep dropping as the technology progresses, but the state is mindful of a bust since its happened before.

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by pythonaut_16 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:44PM (#14360208)

Are you saying that NoDak has generally available fiber internet at reasonable prices?

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by RijilV on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @01:05PM (#14360415)

In the rural parts of the state, yes. That ends up being roughly 60% of the state[0]. In terms of pricing, my family who's nearest neighbors are over a mile away pay less each month than I do for more bandwidth than I get, and I live in a major tech hub.

There's a bit of encouragement from the state government and the rural providers also get free money that everyone else in these United [sic] States pays on their telecommunications bills. However it is still a good example of what can be accomplished in consumer Internet if not for the mega-corporations we have doing it today. If a small provider who's customers are frequently over a mile apart can do fiber to the home, why can't we have the same in metros?

The one disadvantage is the transit providers they plug into aren't the best - IIRC I was going through cogent in MSP to get to most popular cloud providers. Their network is worth looking at though[1][2]

0: http://www.csgmidwest.org/policyresearch/0616-fiber-optic-No...

1: http://dakotacarrier.com/services/overview/ 2: http://broadband.nd.gov/nd-broadband-map

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by protomyth on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:55PM (#14360325)

Yep. Rural electrics, local telephone companies, and some cable companies have fiber. It probably is a function of most places now having multiple providers.

[edit: examples] https://www.bektel.com/products-amp-services/bekfiber/ https://www.gondtc.com/internet_services.html

ignore the 90's style websites

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by protomyth on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @01:09PM (#14360455)

The general dynamic of North Dakota has always been a bit of an amazement to me. Its like "nope, not gonna do it" to "let's get on with it, oops done" happens like a flip of the switch. I think folks give too little credit to a farm state's love of "better". Its a weird, stubborn, leap-style advance on getting stuff done.

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Re:All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in oil an... by neogodless on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:30PM (#14360061)

Thanks for clarifying! I thought about population density, but of course there are lots of other variables!

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