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Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by jlebrech on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @11:23AM (#14359338)
we oppress animals, and it's ok because it's a tradition?
Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by kakarot on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @04:14PM (#14362384)
Say my neighboorhood had a farm and each member of the community benefited from this farm, a few cows to provide milk, and dozens and dozens of chickens to provide eggs and occasional meat.

There is ample space for the animals to roam, and they are shielded from the elements and predators.

As a result of sustainable rationing, a family doesn't eat meat each night but maybe once a week or month.

Do you truly consider this scenario oppressive?

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by animal_dude on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:48PM (#14363474)
> Do you truly consider this scenario oppressive?

Yes, because you have violated the free agency of animals and their own right to exist unmolested by humans. It's the treatment of sentient creatures as mere commodities, justifying the means for an end, that's the source of great calamity and suffering. Non-human persons aren't on this planet for the satisfaction of humans. To think so is to basically be stuck in Christian-inspired attitudes which are old and deprecated.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by kakarot on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @11:57PM (#14364709)
Animals violate the free agency of animals every single day when they eat them for food.

The concept that using animals for any form of resource is oppressive, even if a fair bargain is struck and the animal's needs are met, is highly idealistic in it's own ways, even if they aren't related to Christian values.

People have been cooperating with other animals for much, much longer than Christianity has been around. So yes, that notion is very, very old. I wouldn't say it is depreciated, however.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by animal_dude on Thursday May 18, 2017 @01:08PM (#14368974)
> Animals violate the free agency of animals every single day when they eat them for food.

Animals also commit infanticide and lick their own buttholes. What we do to animals is not cooperation. It's a holocaust.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by kakarot on Thursday May 18, 2017 @04:05PM (#14370648)
Humans commit infanticide and some humans lick other human's buttholes. You're invalidating the sexual preferences of many people by claiming the latter is sub-human.

I'm just glad that a good portion of humanity has the intelligence to understand which evolved behaviors are and aren't appropriate. Maybe eventually we'll all figure it out. Your argument just doesn't stand up because, like humans, some animals have homicidal tendencies and others don't.

The global corporate food industry is a behemoth, but I still don't understand how the scenario I provided to you above, or sanctuaries, or zoos, are "holocaust". Please elaborate.

Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(biology)

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by jimmyk on Thursday May 18, 2017 @02:13PM (#14369617)
>right to exist unmolested by humans

What right to exist unmolested by humans?