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Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by wil421 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:42AM (#14357828)
Cows are treated pretty fairly until the end. They are usually grass feed and graze until they fatten them up for slaughter. They have miles and miles of fields to roam. You can find pigs that are treated fairly or are "free range". Both of these animals have been domesticated and lives with humans for a couple thousand years.

Both of these animals are slaughtered young so they aren't locked up for years and years.

Putting an dolphin in a small pond and put to work all day doing tricks is horrible. Whales and dolphins belong in the open ocean where they can swim for miles and miles. They are not domesticated animals.

My view is that if you have to put the animal in a cage to keep it, you shouldn't have them. The exception would be a fish tank with nothing exotic.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by maxxxxx on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:48AM (#14357874)
Most animals that are raised for meat are treated horribly. there is no way around that. I am not for dolphins being held captive but they have it much better than most cows, pigs or chickens.
Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by wil421 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:33AM (#14358218)
I agree about chickens. My state is the chicken capital of the world. Those coops are so nasty you can start to smell them a mile away.

The only way it will change is everyone buys organic or true free range. The costs are too expensive for me to buy all the time. I think Americans should rethink eating meat at most meals. I've not been able to do it regularly.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by maxxxxx on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:36AM (#14358801)
Most people could reduce their meat consumption by 80% and not miss much.
Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by animal_dude on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @03:30PM (#14361991)
> The only way it will change is everyone buys organic or true free range. The costs are too expensive for me to buy all the time

Both of those terms are pretty meaningless, and their ineffectual enforcement makes them even less so. The solution isn't to humane-wash, it's to stop eating things that come out of chickens' anuses.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by freeflight on Thursday May 18, 2017 @05:41AM (#14365936)
The terms might be meaningless, but that still shouldn't stop you from sourcing your meat/poultry locally from a farmer where you can witness the living conditions of the animals yourself before buying.

That way you are not only doing something healthy for yourself and the animals, it's also supporting the local economy in a meaningful way.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by animal_dude on Thursday May 18, 2017 @12:48PM (#14368785)
> That way you are not only doing something healthy for yourself and the animals, it's also supporting the local economy in a meaningful way.

There is nothing healthy about consuming animals. Not for humans, not for animals, not for this planet, not for anyone. And a similar "supporting the economy" justification was used in defense of slavery, which you're still supporting in another form.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by freeflight on Thursday May 18, 2017 @04:50PM (#14370984)
>And a similar "supporting the economy" justification was used in defense of slavery, which you're still supporting in another form.

Seriously... I advocate people being more aware of where they get their food and cutting down on their meat intake and your first reflex is to compare it to advocating slavery? Sorry but behavior like that is exactly the reason why barely anybody likes vegans or takes them seriously.

Change doesn't happen in massive paradigm shifts, it happens slowly. You won't convince 7 billion people to stop consuming animal products from one day to another. So let's be a little bit realistic and start with small steps which people are actually willing to take, wouldn't that be an actual start?

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by objclxt on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @11:22AM (#14359326)
> Cows are treated pretty fairly until the end [...] They have miles and miles of fields to roam.

Except in many parts of the world where they are placed into barns for six months of the year. Or if they're used for veal.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by johndotsun on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:30PM (#14360064)
Have you ever been to a dairy?
Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by animal_dude on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @03:29PM (#14361978)
> Cows are treated pretty fairly until the end. They are usually grass feed and graze until they fatten them up for slaughter. They have miles and miles of fields to roam. You can find pigs that are treated fairly or are "free range".

This is a complete fabrication and utter logical fallacy.

Re:Vancouver bans whales and dolphins at aquarium by drjasonharrison on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:49PM (#14361590)
dairy cows: raped to be artificially inseminated, calf removed soon after birth. Repeat 5x (yearly). Send to hamburger factory. cattle: fattened in "concentrated animal feeding operations" pigs: artificially inseminated, separated from piglets, teath and tails cut, transported without climate control, food or water.