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Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by k-mcgrady on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:16AM (#14356781)
Obviously this is idiotic - however, is the information usable without the CVC number ('security' number on the back of the card)? I'm sure it's still useful information to have but probably not immediately useable.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by flipp3r on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:25AM (#14356824)
There are some payment solutions where you don't even need to fill in the CVC. (I've ordered on Amazon a few years ago without needing to fill it in) Besides that, there were a couple people last year(s) who showed that you can obtain the CVC in an instant by submitting CVC's from 0 to 999, with the same credit card info, to many websites. (This was tested for Visa I believe)

Edit: See http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/criminals-guess-v... / https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13099949

Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by ewanm89 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:40AM (#14357808)
Amazon aren't allowed to store the CVV so transactions via their one click ordering has to be CVV less. The store gets lower fees on CVV transactions, but it has never been required.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by inopinatus on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:25AM (#14356825)
Absolutely yes, a great many payment platforms will accept the details sans security code, as a card-not-present transaction.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by Asooka on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:23AM (#14356813)
In my case it's not, and you also need my billing address to use my card, which isn't printed on it. Still, if you manage to collect 5000 credit card numbers, the CVV is 3 digits, which gives you 1000 possibilities and 1 - 0.999 * * 5000 = 0.99, so statistically you should hit one in 5000 cards if you guess CVV randomly.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by fnl on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:17AM (#14357082)
Well, as you point out, the probability of not hitting a valid CVV this way is non-zero, or 0.672% - if using R:

    choose(5000,0)*0.999^(5000-0)*0.001^0
But that means, by brute forcing, while you should crack at least one card, there is still a non-zero chance that this will be your unlucky day... (Cracking all cards with this methods, is - essentially - a zero-chance game, but even for that an infinitesimally small chance is left, that my computer cannot reproduce.)
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by goldenkey on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:41AM (#14357172)
Nothing is certain when combining uncertain independent events. Didnt need a calculator for basic measure theory..
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by userbinator on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:20AM (#14357098)
I wonder if having the name and perhaps CVC on the front, and the card number on the back (and not in the way that they're currently produced, which leaves a mirror-image depression of the digits on the other side), would at least somewhat solve this problem of people wanting to show off their cards yet keep the critical information hidden.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by twhb on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @07:26AM (#14357396)
Yes, it's immediately usable. CVC verifies you, not the transaction - websites ask for it not because they need it, but to see if you get it right.

So, lacking the CVC may cause some cautious companies to refuse to take the card, but that's just their decision. You can still use it with less-cautious companies, or your own merchant account.

Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by rakoo on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:23PM (#14361261)
Some study some time ago showed that you can use the existing hundreds of websites that have some credit card form to brute force your way into getting all the fields:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13161948

Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by runj__ on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:24AM (#14357109)
American Express prints a four digit CVC on the front of the card, not a 100% sure about the reasoning there.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by stordoff on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:30AM (#14357138)
Last I checked, Amazon don't require the CVC nor an exact billing address match. You could probably order downloadable goods (e.g. PSN/XBL cards) to resell unless Amazon/the CC company's fraud checks flag the order.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by poizan42 on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:57AM (#14357245)
Is it actually possible to check the billing address? Because most places won't even accept my name as it is written on my card. So usually I just put something fake since they won't let me put the real information anyways. I have probably bought for several thousand usd as "Your Mamma" without ever being rejected.

Edit: Also as far as I know there's no specific address attached to my card or account except for the purpose of contacting me via snail mail.

Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by hughtopping on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @07:10AM (#14357314)
Address validation just allows the retailer to check that the house number in the first line of the address and the numbers in the postcode match those of the card billing address.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by abricot on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:27AM (#14356835)
As far as I understand, the CVC is only used for initial verification, and is not included in the data to the credit card processer.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by nailer on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:23AM (#14357102)
The major clear web credit card scam site in the Philippines trades lists of websites which don't verify CVCs.
Re:MasterCard Serbia asked ladies to share FB photos of thei... by hdra on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:28AM (#14356843)
The CVC number is just one security measure in a credit card. One of the legitimacy signals, so to speak, and its absence is not an immediate fraud flag.

While a bad security practise, a transaction can still go through if the other verification signals like expiry, name, billing address, etc (most of which are accessible through social media, btw) provide sufficient confidence in the legitimacy of the transaction.