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Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by adamnemecek on Sunday May 14, 2017 @02:48PM (#14336954)
I'm working full time on a new DAW that should make writing music a lot faster and easier. Current DAWs don't really understand music theory or the creative process. Also the note input process and experimentation is extremely time consuming and the DAW never helps. Current DAW : my thing = Windows Notepad : IDE. The HN audience is definitely one of my core groups.

Sign up here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1-aQzVbkbGwv2BMQsvuoneOUPgyr...

And ill ping you when it's released.

Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by still_grokking on Sunday May 14, 2017 @04:35PM (#14337442)
Current DAWs don't really understand music theory, that's right.

But there are such things as Synfire Pro by cognitone for example, which on the other hand is unusable as DAW exactly like all the other software for music composition.

I would love to see an usable combination of both software categories eventually.

One question left: Your software won't be FOSS, or will it?

Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by adamnemecek on Sunday May 14, 2017 @05:50PM (#14337751)
I'm aware of synfire, I definitely took some inspiration from it but mine will have a faster workflow, will be cheaper (synfire pro is like a thousand usd), will look visually better etc.

It won't be Foss no

Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by thelsdj on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:17PM (#14337074)
I definitely think that current DAWs are terrible at the composition stage of things, but I wouldn't really want to give up the ease of arrangement / sound design / mixing that they provide. Something that could be used for composition that fed MIDI into my existing DAW would be great.
Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by dharma1 on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:53PM (#14337257)
You can do a lot in Logic's environment. And also many DAW's have support for MIDI FX plugins

Not saying compositional aids couldn't be easier or have different UX paradigms, but there are tools in today's DAW's.

Would be pretty cool if Jacob Collier got together with a developer to write a compositional aid tool for harmonising.

Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by adamnemecek on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:21PM (#14337093)
I'm definily targeting that workflow. What's your current mixing workflow?
Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by thelsdj on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:47PM (#14337236)
Thinking about this even more, I feel like the composition could be represented as a series of transformations that go from simple to complex. So you start out with:

  * Track in C#Maj, 124BPM, 4/4
  * Chord progression I–V–vi–IV over 4 bars.
  * OK but rhythm is that current chord repeats on every beat like a stab
  * Timing should be early by half beat so it would be | I I I V| V V V vi| vi vi vi IV| IV IV IV I|
  * another transformation to adjust the voicing, etc
  * Then you can create a bass track from this that mirrors the lowest note but changes the rhythm, etc, etc etc,.
Any change along the way doesn't affect something else unless it should and then you're given a notice that you should check what was affected.
Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by buzzybee on Sunday May 14, 2017 @08:53PM (#14338381)
You may want to try out RapidComposer, Sundog Song Studio, or Odesi to get a sense of what that workflow entails right now. I bought each of those (two of them on sales), hoping I would come to terms with them, but they just don't work for me. It's mix of "the UX could be better", in some cases, but also some underlying consequences for complexity that show up when you're given a blank piano roll and every possible axis of music theory exposed as an affordance in the UI.

What's working for me right now? ChordPulse [0] which contains arranger keyboard style presets, plus a few options for sequencing and detailing the arrangement. Export to MIDI, add melodies and tweaks on top, and the song is ready. There are much more complicated versions of this formula around like Band in a Box, but they both have things I don't need, and aren't quite as good at this basic workflow.

[0] http://chordpulse.com

Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by adamnemecek on Sunday May 14, 2017 @04:37PM (#14337455)
Haha this is a central part of the app.
Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by thelsdj on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:33PM (#14337151)
I tend to mix (and do everything as I go) in Ableton. I just got a Push 2 so I've been building out some templates and racks to try to skip some of the tedium of trying to explore chord/melodic ideas quickly.

I was reminded of this behemoth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndb339l81pU like the interface is terrible, but the DAW should basically know what kind of chord your playing and be able to make transformations to them.

I'm relatively new to producing in general, but one of my main issues with composing in Ableton is just not having easy way to reference the rest of my MIDI clips working on one of them. Or if I decide I want to change my chord progression or my voicing I then have to go and check every other clip to make sure they all match or at least work with the change.

Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by adimitrov on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:06PM (#14337032)
Sounds fascinating. Will it be cross-platform? (in other words: will you support Linux?)
Re:Eigentechno – Principal Component Analysis applied to ele... by adamnemecek on Sunday May 14, 2017 @03:10PM (#14337046)
Unfortunately not for v1 but linux support its high priority going forward.