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Re:The Brain Can Only Take So Much Focus by wruza on Sunday May 14, 2017 @07:40AM (#14335207)
(Didn't read tfa)

In my experience, flow state tends to be toxic and socially harmful with time. After weeks of practicing, once you're in, there is no easy way to exit it without sleeping (in the morning you're at risk falling in there again). I discussed this effect elsewhere and it confirmed. Sometimes I forcefully retain my mind in normal mode with "expensive" focus, because further plans require to be communicable and alive. It is not "for free" to me in neither way.

Am I using it wrong? Is meditation and samadhi a better version of the flow in this regard?

Re:The Brain Can Only Take So Much Focus by aaimnr on Sunday May 14, 2017 @07:53AM (#14335238)
One possibility is that the awareness is to narrow, and you just don't notice the harm you're doing, being to stuck on the pleasure coming from concentration. Sampajanna is the 'clear comprehension' aspect of mindfulness (sati) responsible for alertness, receptivity.

I like how Tucker Peck (https://meditatewithtucker.com/, recommended, he has an online group) phrased it: when there's samadhi with not enough sampajanna, you're happy asshole. When there's sampajanna without samadhi, you can clearly see what's going on, but you can remain sad (not enough flow-induced pleasure, leaving the mind not strong enough).

In such case there's just enough mind unification to create the pleasure from the flow state, but not enough to expand the awareness and notice wtf is going on around (and for the mind to notice introspectively what it's doing).

Maybe you could try to be continuously aware of the pleasure (or rapture, to be more precise - piti) in your mind, and how the mind is clinging to it. It leads to realising that the rapture is still quite a growse and still somewhat stressful state of mind (it feels a bit like happy anxiety) and with time causes the mind to let it go and leave just the mental pleasure (sukha) or at least to make the piti component more integrated and refined. That's the idea of the Jhanas progression, but not many people know that samadhi is equally possible in day-to-day life, not just with eyes closed. Good for you :)

BTW please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, I'm not hugely experienced.

PS. A great piece about it: http://dharmatreasure.org/wp-content/uploads/Meditation%20an...

Re:The Brain Can Only Take So Much Focus by throw_away_elec on Sunday May 14, 2017 @07:44AM (#14335217)
There is a concept called "laya" or "mano laya". If you are stuck in this, it might lead to stuff like this.

Samadhi is completely different - referring to a deep meditation state without particularly concentrating on anything.

Flow results from deeply being engaged in something or concentration.

Re:The Brain Can Only Take So Much Focus by gurkendoktor on Sunday May 14, 2017 @08:45AM (#14335386)
Wow, I think I'm experiencing exactly the same issues. I've never successfully picked up meditating, but I do optimise for flow (home office, instrumental music at exactly my pace etc.)

I've decided to roll with the punches and just work all-day, but take more days off. That way I can just go straight from flow to bed (with a few walks throughout the day). But I'll try to make sense of the sibling comments as well. Or maybe I just need to get better at napping again (right after work - a great reset button).

If you have links to other discussions of this, please share :)

Re:The Brain Can Only Take So Much Focus by wruza on Sunday May 14, 2017 @10:38AM (#14335805)
These were in .ru and pretty shallow, apart from that it was several years ago in the middle of other chat-like discussion. Idk how to search, if these threads still exist today. Guys reported that flow is inescapable for them too after some time; that it is quite depressing when you have to socialize; and that it is [arguably] not so productive overall if taken objectively.
Re:The Brain Can Only Take So Much Focus by qwer on Monday May 15, 2017 @09:23AM (#14341325)
I find physical exercise gets me back out even easier than napping. It took me a while to figure that out, but it's been really helpful.