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Re:What's Reasonable to Qualcomm Isn't to Apple by Retric on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @09:11PM (#14305204)
Gould was issued U.S. Patent 4,161,436 in 1979, covering a variety of laser applications including heating and vaporizing materials, welding, drilling, cutting, measuring distance, communication systems, television, laser photocopiers and other photochemical applications, and laser fusion.[25]

So 1979 + 20 = 1999 - 1959 = 40 years which is twice the nominal 20 year patent terms.

Critically the original patent was overturned based on a private notebook from 1957. So, the public gained NOTHING from these patents because someone else had already published and others where actually creating the product and bringing it to market, but no based on a notebook which nobody saw suddenly the world changes.

Re:What's Reasonable to Qualcomm Isn't to Apple by logicallee on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @05:38AM (#14307001)
As a member of the public believe it or not I don't actually benefit from every invention scrawled anywhere in some notebook.

I do benefit from having a precision component in my mouse that cost its manufacturer pennies. Which is the end game of the patent process.

So it's just not a great example. Overturned or not, the public has come out very strongly ahead.

Re:What's Reasonable to Qualcomm Isn't to Apple by Retric on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @05:45AM (#14307023)
What did you gain? Remember the chain of people leading to your mouse had nothing to do with this guy as he did not disclose his idea before people started making lasers.
Re:What's Reasonable to Qualcomm Isn't to Apple by logicallee on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:30AM (#14307628)
I gained the laser. There are lots of ideas in notebooks all over the world that I have zero access to. Their inventors don't know about or use the patent system. They have no incentive to prototype, research, and publish their findings, license them to manufacturing partners, or go through the tens of thousands of steps that the laser went through to become a component that costs pennies, available to everyone in a variety of applications.

Sketches in notebooks don't help me. Inventors going through the patent process do.

It's that simple.

Re:What's Reasonable to Qualcomm Isn't to Apple by Retric on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:04AM (#14307812)
But the guy who got the patent was the guy with the notebook who never showed it to anyone. Then when someone else got it to market he showed the patent office his notebook and then got a lot of money.

Note: We changed to a first to file in part to avoid this issue. But, now someone else can publish or even sell something, then after reading it you can submit a patent using their idea which is arguably far worse.

Re:What's Reasonable to Qualcomm Isn't to Apple by logicallee on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:46AM (#14308584)
:)