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Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by ZeroGravitas on Monday May 08, 2017 @04:41AM (#14290100)
Taxing by weight and emissions and cost are a more pragmatic version of this.

Cars, and houses, are to a degree used for status signalling. With products like that, heavy taxes increase total utility since you can still have a nicer car/house than your poorer neighbour, it's just that all cars/houses have been bumped up a rung of show-offiness. Compare Europe to the USA for example. Even the American electric cars are comically large by euro standards.

(Other co-benefits are improved safety, an analysis of CARB regulations suggested that they paid for themselves just by reducing death and injury by encouraging lighter cars, even if you ignore air quality issues)

Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by onion2k on Monday May 08, 2017 @07:03AM (#14290597)
Taxing by weight and emissions and cost are a more pragmatic version of this.

We do that here in the UK. The difference between a small economical car and a giant SUV is a factor of 5 (£110 for a small car vs £515 for a huge car, plus a couple of lower bands for electric and 'green' cars). It really isn't enough make anyone who wants to drive a big car choose something else. It needs to be more like 50 times more for a big car rather than 5, but politicians are too scared to introduce that.

Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by exprA on Monday May 08, 2017 @09:42AM (#14291354)
>politicians are too scared to introduce that.

Of course politicians should be the one who decide the rules. That's how democracy works...

Keep in mind that the jet fuel that's used to transport all the world's hipsters to “experience the world” is not taxed at all – or does that hit too close to home even for a person who doesn't own a car? A life that's aimed at solely minimising emissions is a bleak one, which is why it's not the will of the majority.

Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by aphexbr on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @09:29AM (#14299785)
"the jet fuel that's used to transport all the world's hipsters to “experience the world”"

What about the jet fuel that's used for the other 98% of people who fly on a regular basis? Is that less polluting, or are you just jealous of the people who travel internationally for leisure? You're not making any sense, unless you're deluded enough to think that those are the only people who fly. "does that hit too close to home even for a person who doesn't own a car?"

Again, that makes no sense. Why would car ownership affect the impact of jet fuel pollution? If it's the "hipsters" you're concerned about, wouldn't those be the people who are already offsetting the environmental cost of air travel by using public transport and/or unmotorised travel and thus polluting less than car owners?

In other words, you seem to be more interested at attacking a threadbare strawman than evaluate what's actually happening. It's pretty sad, when the actual reason for taxation is pretty clear (to encourage less polluting methods of transport where one reasonably exists, which may not be the case for many air routes).

The real kicker? Jet fuel is actually taxed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_State...

Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by redcalx on Monday May 08, 2017 @11:59AM (#14292744)
You're forgetting tax on fuel, which at 57.95 pence/litre for petrol/diesel is almost a tax rate of 100%. Unfortunately most of this money goes into the general budget rather than being used to improve transport infrastructure and/or reduce CO2 or NOX emissions.
Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by jessaustin on Monday May 08, 2017 @08:25AM (#14290932)
If the base tax for a small economical car were £10000, a factor of 5 might be enough...
Re:Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 by rocqua on Monday May 08, 2017 @05:55AM (#14290357)
Houses as status signaling doesn't work in large cities with a lot of work. Very few people live in e.g. London for the status.