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Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Friday May 05, 2017 @03:41AM (#14271768)
SMS can provide transaction authentication:

"If you want to transfer $1000 to account 1243567890, confirm with code ABCDEF".

Assuming an attentive user, this protects against malware silently changing amount and recipient on a transaction the user is making - an attack the banks were struggling with. It also makes phishing much harder, since the attacker needs to convince the user to enter the code after reading this message.

Code-based 2FA is vulnerable to phishing where the attacker relays the phished credentials in real time. German banks were doing 2FA long ago, in the form of sheets of paper with one-time passwords (called TAN). Attackers were phishing those, so banks switched to "indexed" (iTAN) OTPs: The bank tells you which OTP to use, so someone who has just phished 1 or 2 won't be able to use theirs. Phishers started relaying the stolen credentials to the bank in real time, looking which iTAN the bank asks for, then asking the victim for the same.

Given these known capabilities of attackers, any 2FA method that is not phishing resistant and not bound to a specific transaction is not usable, and probably not better than SMS. Anyone can make a phishing site, running attacks on phone networks is harder.

Edit: Just realized that U2F would not be a suitable solution for banks, since it does not authenticate specific transactions, so malware could still swap recipient and amount.

Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ... by Natanael_L on Friday May 05, 2017 @09:35AM (#14273295)
U2F works because it is replay protected. Whatever you "authorize" the scammer to do means nothing to the bank when he tries to relay it.

Either he acts as a transparent proxy between you and your bank without attacking, or the authentication fails.

Edit: with local malware you're doomed unless you have trusted external hardware with a dedicated screen.

Re:Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 ... by hdhzy on Friday May 05, 2017 @07:00AM (#14272509)
Excellent summary.

U2F was designed to protect login where you don't need more context except the site you're logging into and that's protected as part of the protocol. Abusing it for other purposes (tx confirmation) as you showed is not a good idea.

Transaction confirmation can be improved by using mobile banking app that displays the transaction info and has accept / reject buttons. The communication would go over HTTPS.

But the problem of trust goes deeper - how do you know that account X is the correct number for your intended recipient? You usually have this saved in you banking system and when it is compromised you'd still be convicted that you're sending money to correct account. Unless of course you have a paper backup of account numbers...