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Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by nebabyte on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:57PM (#14269992)
Yeah, IANAL but it sounds like the definition of obstruction of justice
Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by wav-part on Thursday May 04, 2017 @08:31PM (#14270198)
Uber is not obstructing any investigation. They are proactively denying service to all LEOs. The mere act of driving or not driving to an LEO for whatever reason is not breaking of law.
Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by DannyBee on Thursday May 04, 2017 @10:07PM (#14270606)
"They are proactively denying service to all LEOs." No, that would be fine. They are instead, pretending to serve them and deliberately misleading them :)

This is the "it's okay to not answer questions, it's not okay to deliberately mislead"

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by wav-part on Thursday May 04, 2017 @10:50PM (#14270790)
LEO interacting with an app is not same as if it was a person. LEO is not conducting an interview with Uber when he uses the app. UX is not legally accountable response.

To whom even Miranda warning will apply to ?

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by openasocket on Thursday May 04, 2017 @11:08PM (#14270858)
Miranda warnings only apply to when you are in police custody. The fact that it's an App is irrelevant: the App was designed with a feature created with the explicit purpose of disrupting a police investigation. They intended to disrupt an investigation, and as a direct result of their actions the investigation was disrupted.
Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by wav-part on Friday May 05, 2017 @12:14AM (#14271069)
> Miranda warnings only apply to when you are in police custody.

Or in a custodial interrogation as per wikipedia[1]. My point is not every interaction, even if you are a person, is a custodial interrogation. I can stop talking. I can move away. Or even joke (Not recommended). It would not have any legal repercussions. LEO has to warn me the mode of interaction has been changed to serious from courteous.

> the App was designed with a feature created with the explicit purpose of disrupting a police investigation. They intended to disrupt an investigation, and as a direct result of their actions the investigation was disrupted.

First, the purpose and intentions are allegations yet to be proven in court.

What I guess the Uber can say is these features are design to deny serivce to all LEOs wheather they are on investigations or not. Uber cannot even know if some investigation is taking place. Which I can empathize with. No one wants LEOs up in their shxt if they legally can avoid them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by sandworm101 on Thursday May 04, 2017 @08:30PM (#14270193)
Not really. For textbook obstruction one would need a criminal investigation that Uber was seeking to stymie. There needs to be an underlying actual crime. Whether Uber has committed any crimes is not clear. They will more likely bring conspiracy rather than obstruction charges.
Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by DannyBee on Thursday May 04, 2017 @10:08PM (#14270610)
"For textbook obstruction one would need a criminal investigation that Uber was seeking to stymie."

In the case i'm aware of, law enforcement was investigating criminal violations of local ordinances by unlicensed uber drivers.

While i'm sure not a felony, that's definitely a criminal investigation they were seeking to stymie.

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by sandworm101 on Thursday May 04, 2017 @11:46PM (#14270982)
If you are going to bring obstruction charges you will want to base them on something greater than license violations. That's akin to the cop threatening me with obstruction charges for warning other motorcyclists about a speed trap. Conspiracy, on the other hand, is a serious crime unto itself.
Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by DannyBee on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:03AM (#14271228)
I'm not sure i agree with your example, but i'm just saying, there was an actual criminal investigation if they wanted to play that game.

(Your example is not close to what happened here, as again, that would have been more okay. They did not warn the drivers. They hid the law violating drivers from the cops when they knew the cops were looking for them, and did so to make themselves money. It would be more akin to being able to change what the cop sees so that, at your command, all he saw was people going the speed limit, and nothing else)

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by HappyTypist on Thursday May 04, 2017 @10:40PM (#14270757)
Those were all civil, not criminal.
Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by DannyBee on Thursday May 04, 2017 @11:33PM (#14270940)
Errr, the ordinances in question made it a misdemeanor with an X$ fine. Those are criminal, not civil. Example: http://www.local10.com/news/key-west-police-arrest-unlicense...

"Operating without the required licenses is a second-degree misdemeanor. Illegal drivers face a fine of up to $500 and/or 60 days in jail."

I'm not sure why you believe they are civil. They pretty much never are.

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by npizzolato on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:57AM (#14271402)
There doesn't need to be an actual crime. There needs to be an investigation of an actual crime. One which seems to have been taking place.

Also, given how often Uber is brought up in these forums for ignoring/breaking local laws, I really would not be surprised to find that they have committed real crimes. I would be far more surprised if they had not.

Re:Uber faces criminal probe over software used to evade aut... by nebabyte on Thursday May 04, 2017 @08:35PM (#14270222)
Ic, thanks for the insight.